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icarusancalion ([personal profile] icarus) wrote2004-12-13 03:26 am

Stargate recs page

Ah, so rare, so beautiful...

... a Stargate SG-1 recs page. With lots and lots of stories. And lots and lots of authors. It's almost like being back home in the Harry Potter world, where good fanfiction is plentiful and no one can read it all.

Delightful Recs Page

So far I've read the very enjoyable T-Minus Ten And Counting. Very funny. Very much in character. Jack and Daniel have to survive ten days in quarantine. Hands off. No touching. Down boy.

[identity profile] setissma.livejournal.com 2004-12-13 03:27 pm (UTC)(link)
You know, I have to confess, I was glad when you started writing Stargate stuff. And now I'm glad that you're reccing it. Because, quite frankly, I don't watch the show, and I can only remember, vaguely, someone I knew really, really liking a SG movie. So much so that, a number of years ago, we watched it so many times I had lines of dialogue memorized. (I think it was the one involving Egypt and Ra and I would groan every time it came on, I'd seen it so often.) However, I'm really, really enjoying the stories. Because I like Jack, and I really like Daniel, and I think, number one, you writing in this fandom is fantastic, and number two, you reccing this fandom is fantastic, and I just wanted to extend a round of thanks, because hey, who doesn't need more of Jack and Daniel? So, this is just to say I appreciate it, and keep up the good work.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2004-12-14 03:18 am (UTC)(link)
You know, I have to confess, I was glad when you started writing Stargate stuff.

I can't tell you how glad I am to hear that, because I get a lot less feedback on SG-1 stories than Harry Potter of course. HP I've been writing for two years. The SG-1 fandom doesn't know me from Adam. Then, there's the relative size of the fandom, plus the fact that SG-1 slash was sort of staggered by the loss of Daniel Jackson for a season, well, anyway. :) I'm glad people are interested. It's been driving me crazy that I haven't been able to dedicate the time to finishing the larger SG-1 stories that keep nattering at me.

Because, quite frankly, I don't watch the show, and I can only remember, vaguely, someone I knew really, really liking a SG movie. So much so that, a number of years ago, we watched it so many times I had lines of dialogue memorized. (I think it was the one involving Egypt and Ra and I would groan every time it came on, I'd seen it so often.)

I was hooked on James Spader's ultra-innocent yet ballsy Daniel Jackson myself, and was very pleased to discover that the show could live up to the movie (though it was very different).

However, I'm really, really enjoying the stories.

Cool!

Because I like Jack, and I really like Daniel, and I think, number one, you writing in this fandom is fantastic, and number two, you reccing this fandom is fantastic...

WG gave me shit about it, because this is the first fandom that he cares about that I'm writing.

He likes slash, but is pro-military (in a strong protect the weak/the best defense is a good offense sort of way) and believes the military is right with its no franternization rules. He does not distinguish between Don't Ask, Don't Tell and non-fraternization, feels it's the same essential principle: "you don't shit where you eat." He says "of course there are queers in the military! Fuck yeah, always has been. But fucking someone on the team? Sam or Daniel? No way, nuh-uh, it would really mess things up. Jack wouldn't be that stupid."

That said, he thinks Jack/Daniel PWPs are hot. But if I'm going to do serious plotty SG-1 fics, he insists that I read up on fraternization and the havoc it causes.

because hey, who doesn't need more of Jack and Daniel?

Oh yeah. No doubt about that.

So, this is just to say I appreciate it, and keep up the good work.

Thank you.

Wow am I ever lucky. No one gets this sort of support when launching into a new fandom. *thumbs up*

Icarus

[identity profile] setissma.livejournal.com 2004-12-14 04:05 am (UTC)(link)
As sort of a tied-in note, I finished reading T-Minus Whatever The Rest of The Title Was, and I thought that the addition of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell aspect of it actually made it a better story. I mean, admittedly, there wouldn't have been a story without it, but quite frankly? It was hysterical. In the I'm so glad I wasn't eating while reading this because I probably would've choked to death way.

I agree with WG from a theoretical standpoint - it's exactly the same reason you wouldn't, per say, want to be dating your boss, and that college students aren't supposed to date their professors. But from another view, it does, almost certainly, happen. I think the key to writing good fic in this fandom - and, admittedly, I don't know the characters well - seems to boil down to either sticking them in a storage closet (which I am, by the way, all for) or dealing with Jack's guilt over sleeping with not only a subordinate, but a male subordinate. Because from my sense of it, Daniel is more caught up in the actual archaeology side of it, as opposed to the military side, so he probably wouldn't quite get, per say, what the big deal was. And even if he did, he probably wouldn't care. And Jack, I think, does care. And then he's probably mad at himself for caring, because it's a relationship and he shouldn't be governing his personal life by the rules of his job. (Even though, really, he's probably been doing it for years. Because when you're in the military, that's exactly what you do.)

I cannot believe I am theorizing about character motivations in a fandom I don't know any details about. If I had fandom shame left, this would trigger it. Unfortunately, I think I just like psychology too much.

And at any rate, you totally deserve all the support you can get. And sometimes, it's more about the story than the audience. There are things you write that you know will get tons of feedback, and then there are things you write that you expect will get no feedback at all, but you still write them, because they're worth writing. So if that's what this fandom is for you, then I hope you do get feedback - you'll be getting mine, anyway! - because it is good work. It's very good work. And good writing is always worthwhile, whether it's in the largest fandom in the world, or the smallest.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2004-12-14 04:43 am (UTC)(link)
The real trick is not about leaving out Jack's reactions to crossing the Don't Ask, Don't Tell line (that seems to have been covered in all the good fics :). What WG wants to see is the effects on the team after that line is crossed. He doesn't believe it would be positive, he doesn't think they could possibly hide it from the rest of SG-1, and he thinks that Teal'c would not approve, and that Sam would be pissed. Not from an attached-to-Jack-sort-of-way, but that she's military and cares about these regs. He also thinks it would affect how they work together in the field, and not in a good way.

I cannot believe I am theorizing about character motivations in a fandom I don't know any details about. If I had fandom shame left, this would trigger it. Unfortunately, I think I just like psychology too much.

I think it's interesting. You have a slightly different take, but I think and accurate one.

And sometimes, it's more about the story than the audience. There are things you write that you know will get tons of feedback, and then there are things you write that you expect will get no feedback at all, but you still write them, because they're worth writing.

It's not really about the feedback. It's just sort of daunting when you set loose a new story, heart in your throat, "hope that worked"... and all you hear is the crickets chirp. :D

Icarus

[identity profile] setissma.livejournal.com 2004-12-17 04:11 am (UTC)(link)
Finally, I have time to reply. This week has been so long, and there was this group of comments lurking in the recesses at the bottom of my inbox. I finally have time. It's some sort of miracle.

I think that I agree with WG, quite frankly, with the fact that it would really effect the team. I can imagine that, more than personal reactions, it would create definite jealousy, and everyone would question Jack's ability to lead. If there was a conflict, and he decided in Daniel's favor, would he be deciding because he didn't want to be sleeping on the couch for the next two weeks or because Daniel was genuinely in the right? It would cause doubt, and that's one thing you can't have. You have to have trust in your commander because he or she (at times quite literally) holds your life in his or her hands.

Well, a lot of character analysis is just basic psychology! That's probably why everyone enjoys it so much.

Exactly. It's daunting, especially if you're trying something new. You're left wondering, "Is there no feedback because it was bad, or is there no feedback because no one is willing to read this pairing/fandom/characterization?" But I think you're doing a fantastic job.