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icarusancalion ([personal profile] icarus) wrote2006-04-26 02:35 am
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Defining fanfiction.

Teresa writes about fanfiction:

Storytelling is basic to our species. It’s one of the ways we parse our experience of the universe. Whatever moves us or matters to us will show up in the stories we tell, whether or not we have a socially approved outlet for those stories. It might surprise you to find out how many writers have works of personal erotica tucked away in their unpublished-or-unpublishable manuscript trunks. There’s no good way to get those published, but they write them anyway, because they’re writers, and eroticism is an important part of our lives.
Good fiction gets under our skin. It can change the way we see the world. But whatever its effect, it’s a significant experience. It would be a bizarre thing—unnatural, even—for writers to not engage with that experience. They always have. I could show you stuff centuries old—heck, some of it’s millennia old—that’s fanfic by any modern definition.

Of course, it would have to be a modern definition. In a purely literary sense, fanfic doesn’t exist. There is only fiction. Fanfic is a legal category created by the modern system of trademarks and copyrights. Putting that label on a work of fiction says nothing about its quality, its creativity, or the intent of the writer who created it.

The Pulitzer Prize for Fiction this year went to March, a novel by Geraldine Brooks, published by Viking. It’s a re-imagining of the life of the father of the four March girls in Louisa May Alcott’s Little Women. Can you see a particle of difference between that and a work of declared fanfiction? I can’t. I can only see two differences: first, Louisa May Alcott is out of copyright; and second, Louisa May Alcott, Geraldine Brooks, and Viking are dreadfully respectable.

I’m just a tad cynical about authors who rage against fanfic. Their own work may be original to them, but even if their writing is so outre that it’s barely readable, they’ll still be using tropes and techniques and conventions they picked up from other writers. We have a system that counts some borrowings as legitimate, others as illegitimate. They stick with the legit sort, but they’re still writing out of and into the shared web of literature. They’re not so different as all that.

Fanfic means someone cares about what you wrote.

Personally, I’m convinced that the legends of the Holy Grail are fanfic about the Eucharist.


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I consider it intra-textual writing, playing within the boundaries of a story. Interestingly, most fanfic loses its meaning, you can't capture the play of what the writer is saying, unless you know the source material. The plot survives but the subtleties are lost. Like reading "Call me Ishmael..." and not knowing who Ishmael was in the bible. It becomes just a name. Fanfiction is as fragile as a soap bubble.

[identity profile] sffan.livejournal.com 2006-04-26 10:01 am (UTC)(link)
That's an awesome viewpoint. I love that definition of fanfic.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2006-04-26 10:09 am (UTC)(link)
Teresa's my new favorite person (or is at least on my Christmas card list). I think she's right, too. The definition of literature is awfully shaky.

Icarus

[identity profile] stanharding.livejournal.com 2006-04-26 11:44 am (UTC)(link)
I noticed that when the Pulitzers were announced, "Look, it's Little Women fanfic!". A while ago I got on a spate of reading Pride & Prejudice sequels - there are a bunch - and commenting at the time that the only difference between those and the HP stuff I was reading online was they were allowed to publish and make money off of it.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2006-04-26 03:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm thinking... in 70 years does this mean we can publish? :D

Icarus

[identity profile] apey1013.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 04:08 am (UTC)(link)
I would argue that you would have to wait until Jo died. Then you KNOW there will be a free-for-all.

[identity profile] dancing-moon.livejournal.com 2006-04-26 04:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Interestingly, most fanfic loses its meaning, you can't capture the play of what the writer is saying, unless you know the source material.

I wouldn't quite agree... When I read daegaer's Biblefics, I rarely know the characters well. Or at all. And still, they convey an emotion

Also, I know I and probably other people too who have entered a fandom through the fics. Highlander, Gundam Wing, it was first stories then Wikipedia and fansites, then the actual shows... and a return to the fandom with slightly "different" glasses.

And it can take time, I read GW for over 6 months before I ever watched the anime.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2006-04-26 10:45 pm (UTC)(link)
You're right, I think I'm off there. It doesn't lose its entire meaning, though I think it does lose some of what the fanfic author intended to convey. Whether or not it's even possible for authors to convey what they intend, or have much control over what they mean is another matter altogether.

Icarus

[identity profile] cariad2.livejournal.com 2006-04-26 10:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Thanks! That's a really interesting and well thought out perspective, and I think you're absolutely correct.

[identity profile] apey1013.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 04:06 am (UTC)(link)
I love this. No - I adore that you wrote this. So many authors/artists completely lose sight of this. There is a plethora of award-winning PUBLISHED fanfic out there (the dreadfully canon-disloyal "Peter and the Starcatchers" for one) that is held up beside orignal fiction on a daily basis. If they were to actually research mythology and storytelling they would realize that just about EVERYTHING is fanfiction these days. Stories are not so much original as reworked. Everything comes from somewhere and everything comes from basic themes that have always existed. Hell, the later Arthurian Romances are all just fanfics based on the works of Chretien de Troyes. But back then he would not have bothered people about it.

I understand the need for legalities surrounding copyrights. I do NOT believe that everyone should be able to publish their crappy fanfiction for profit on Amazon. But I think that authors should stop picking on their FANS that merely write because they adore the world the author created so much and want to show their friends what they've done. Fanfiction is not about profit. Fanfiction is about bringing the geek community together. [/rant]

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 04:17 am (UTC)(link)
Just to be clear, Teresa wrote this, but for some reason my attempts to use the < block > tags have failed. Only the little blurb at the bottom is my own.

On to the rest of what you said -- right on, sistah!

Icarus

[identity profile] unlikely2.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 08:46 am (UTC)(link)
Well said.

I do wonder how much the explosion of HP fanfic has to do with JKR's positive response to it. Also whether a determinant of an author's popularity would ever be the amount of fanfic written. This being so, should be expect a volte-face form certain other authors in a decade or so?

[identity profile] nimbus1944.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 12:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Bravo, Teresa and commenters; points well taken. When screenwriters can win awards for condensing books, and Pulitzers are awarded for what is often rewriting of history books and biographies, a little respect for fanfic would be appreciated.

On my favorite writing forum, everytime someone mentions the word "fanfiction", they get verbally assaulted. I'm sorry, but it's a legitimate medium, and a great way for kids to break into writing. Because JKR encourages it (no matter how much Canon gets mutilated in the process!), ff.n will reach the quarter-million mark in HP stories by early June -- an unprecedented amateur fiction-writing boom. Tolerated? We oughta be in Guinness!


[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 04:46 pm (UTC)(link)
My own writing professor thinks that fanfiction solves a young writer's primary problem: finding an audience. Writing groups look at fiction in a completely different light than real readers.

We used to have this in the pulps, but that option to publish has disappeared. My impression of the magazine industry is that it's fragmented and difficult to find what you want as a reader (let alone a writer), so that's become a very tight competitive market.

Fanfiction is where writers develop experience, create a rapport with an audience, and learn what makes a good story (not just how to write). I'm constantly surprised by what people love and read. Very often it's not my most honed and polished "cool" work. You can't learn that in a writer's group. You have to have an audience.

Icarus

[identity profile] m-ho.livejournal.com 2006-04-27 02:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I do believe the only thing separating fanfic from published fiction is arbitrary copyright law and potentially spurious Intellectual Property law.

It was my understanding that Pulitzer fiction prizes went to Updike's friends, but I just checked the website and he's not even on the board, so I don't know where I got that idea from, and it makes totally moot my point that he's a fanfic-er and would certainly award other fanfic-ers to bolster his legitimacy....le sigh...

[identity profile] skuf.livejournal.com 2006-04-28 08:29 am (UTC)(link)
I consider it intra-textual writing, […] Like reading "Call me Ishmael..." and not knowing who Ishmael was in the bible.
That's intertextuality. Of course all these things - intertextuality, palimpsest, fanfiction (although it's never called the latter when it's professional) - are overlapping slides on a scale.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2006-04-28 09:45 am (UTC)(link)
I think it's both intertextual (the fanfic commenting on and influenced by the source) and intra-textual, because the fanfic is not independent from the source but commenting "in the margins" so-to-speak.

My vision of fanfiction (admittedly I could be wrong) is that it's contained within - like a subset of - the original source. Otherwise why would canon be important? Authors, unless they're going wildly AU, make a choice to subordinate their fanfic to the source material. That's different from two equal texs commenting on each other.

Granted, the problem with intratextual is that it assumes that everything the reader sees in the text (and later turns into a fanfic) is inherent in the text. Certainly the original author would disagree. But intertextual isn't quite the same as the relationship between fanfiction and canon.

Icarus