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icarusancalion ([personal profile] icarus) wrote2009-03-25 12:58 am
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Watchmen and Sanskrit, or the post in which Icarus abuses the lj-cut.

I credit all your good wishes: WG's limp is improving. My grades are not as bad as I feared. You must share your power of good wishes with the rest of the world, since clearly you could end both the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

WG will learn the results of his CT and bone scans tomorrow.

I failed the Sanskrit final spectacularly, but based on the numbers here I must have been running close to a 3.8 - 3.9 before WG's injuries, so I'm saved from failing the class. I need to study those missed chapters this week or I'll be in trouble next quarter. Expect some Sanskrit posts this weekend.

My Greek History professor indeed graded harshly. I'm considering whether it's worth contesting the grade.

Who watches the Watchmen? We do!

Went to see Watchmen with WG tonight. We had our usual petty squabble on the way there. WG's a backseat driver which is why I make him my chauffeur. But it's not wise to have him drive with a walking cast. I ended up running red light after he insisted I'd missed the turn into the theater --

WG: Honey, honey! It's right there to the left, to the left--!
Icarus (baffled, looking around): What? What? It can't be, it's not--
(Vroom.)
Icarus: Driving with you sucks. Also, that traffic would have hit you first.

He was very conciliatory (he hates backseat drivers). I ruefully admitted I'd written down the address for the wrong theatre. We circled the block until we found it.

The Neptune in the U-District is old fashioned theatre, built 80 years ago, with a cool, laid back beatnick-y staff. I dropped WG off at the front door (see: walking cast) and enjoyed treating him like a lady all night. I even held doors for him. (All he needed were the pearls.) There were exactly three people in the theater so we... sat in the same row with them, thus proving humans are social creatures. Someone should do a doctoral study.

WG is Nite Owl. That was my guy up there. The glasses, the gentleness, the innocent boyish appeal. The same quiet, private nature, along with the tendency to not say how he feels until he's pissed, but expressing himself in coded passive-aggressive acts that are easy to miss. And only truly vibrantly alive when he's "doing his thing" (in WG's case, backpacking).

Needless to say, I loved the movie (for other reasons as well). As a side note, we both enjoyed the tasteful frontal nudity. Good to see a movie that has just as much (or more) male nudity as female. Reading reviews from you guys, I noticed that most of the people who hated the movie hadn't read the comic, while most of those who loved the movie had. So I made sure we'd both read it first. It was fun to see such a faithful rendering of the comic panels. I recognized so many scenes. There were enough changes to make it interesting and to tighten up the sprawling, jump-cut pacing of the comic. I think changing the ending somewhat was a good move. It's visually stunning, but what made it were the actors. The actors were so well cast -- and this story is about the characters. Cast the right actors and you have 90% of it right there.

WG wants to see it again on DVD, so he can pause the opening montage and study the background details.

Afterward, he made a wistful comment about ice cream, so we hunted down an ice cream shop for sundaes and sat in the shop like 1950s teenagers. I'd brought my notebook and jotted down a scene for Out Of Bounds that hit me in there. After this post, I'm off to write it. *g*

We ended up by the UW bookstore so I bought my Sanskrit books for next quarter while he browsed.

Shhh. Don't tell him, but I caught one of the sales clerks watching him like a hawk. I thought the guy was queer at first (WG shines brightly on gaydar). Then I realized the guy was worried that WG might shoplift. I think it was his poofy down easy-to-hide-books-in jacket combined with the long hair. The clerk looked relieved when bookish Icarus turned up carrying UW Sanskrit textbooks. Obviously people carrying Sanskrit books are not shoplifters. Everyone knows that.

Now WG wants to do another date tomorrow night, this time an art film at the Varsity. Ah, old theatres. Such a different experience from the modern multiplexes.

[identity profile] lexstar29.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 09:30 am (UTC)(link)
The opening credits were online, but I just double checked and the video has been taken down from the site where it was, though they're likely still on YouTube! It may not give WG the detail he wants to see but they blew me away just as much seeing them again. I thought they were very well done.

It sounds like you had a lovely evening last night. I'm really pleased you both enjoyed the movie.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 09:34 am (UTC)(link)
I just found that out myself. We'll find them on YouTube no doubt.

And you have a good heart, my friend.

[identity profile] amanuensis1.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 09:40 am (UTC)(link)
I think we had the identical reaction to Watchmen! ^_^

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 08:01 pm (UTC)(link)
We seem to be in a unique category. :)

[identity profile] bluemoon02.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 09:43 am (UTC)(link)
I agree, it was very well cast and acted. My problem was with the story. There's been so much hype about this movie and about the comic and everything, I seriously went and sat all excited, hoping to see another V for Vendetta. And it had all of the political dystopia stuff -- which are the bits I *love* -- but they put all the emphasis on the personal struggles and human problems, rather than the political situation or national problems.

It felt like hearing a waltz played on a violin where the musician is trying to play it as 4/4 instead of 3/4. The beats all felt wrong and misplaced, and it ended up with me not being able to care very much when they dropped what I imagine were meant to be big character bombshells.

The only place where this didn't happen was the credits, which were absolutely amazing, and delivered everything I wanted from that film. If you find somewhere that they're posted, can you let me know?

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 09:55 am (UTC)(link)
As part of my ongoing casual research: had you read the comic before you saw the film?

[identity profile] bluemoon02.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 09:58 am (UTC)(link)
I hadn't, but I saw a lot of reviews (Jonathan Ross, Empire) that said it was adapted so faithfully I wouldn't need to have read it to enjoy it.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 10:17 am (UTC)(link)
*nods* Yep. It's consistent. Though your reasons are different and seem more related to the hype and expectations.

The most common response from those who hadn't read the book are: the plot was obvious, and/or it was boring, and/or it was confusing toward the end.

While fans of the comic seem to loooove talking about the grand dystopic theme, in the story the dystopia is shunted aside in favor of a character-driven story that unmasks the superhero and acts as a meta-commentary on the whole genre.

I almost get the sense that if the story were told through different characters it wouldn't be a dystopia. Sometimes in the book there's a sense that Rorschach and the Comedian created this dystopic view through their own cynical/paranoid minds. Then it turns out that the Comedian has the most stake in humanity. He wasn't willing to sacrifice millions for world peace. Meanwhile Rorschach, despite his apparent misanthropy, is the most rigid idealist.

In my view, the core of the book asks the question "who are the good guys?" The dystopic theme just acts as a testing ground, or, oh, a litmus test of various degrees and types of good.

[identity profile] bluemoon02.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 11:36 am (UTC)(link)
This is precisely it, it's very character driven, but the older generation characters are so much more interesting than the younger generation! So to make it almost exclusively about the younger generation made it so much less interesting.

"Who are the good guys?" is the question I was asking when it was interesting. "Why do I care who this girl's father is?" is what I was asking when I wanted to know how much longer the film was going to last. Again, "Who are the good guys?" is very set around the older generation, it's generally tightly linked to the Comedian, and it was interesting.

[identity profile] tekalynn.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 04:24 pm (UTC)(link)
The main storyline in the comic is predominantly about the younger characters, but excerpts from the first Nite Owl's autobiography give some backstory for the older ones. The first Nite Owl is Hollis, the older guy that Dan has a beer with every week.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 08:12 pm (UTC)(link)
There are some famous stories where I look at the main characters, look at the supporting characters, and think the supporting characters are more interesting. Romeo and Juliet. Mercutio is the most interesting character in that story. I've yet to convince anyone that the story should have been Mercutio/Romeo. Maybe next Christmas for Yuletide.

[identity profile] bluemoon02.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 09:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't agree with you on Romeo and Juliet -- but then, I am building my thesis around them! But I know what you mean. I've often thought the same thing about Hamlet, where there are so many fascinating characters in Laertes, Ophelia, Polonius, Claudius, Gertrude. One could easily overlook the self-indulgent emo!

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 06:18 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, ha, what a coincidence that I picked that play then. I've always wanted to shake Romeo.

I think I know Hamlet in real life. ;)
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[personal profile] mad_maudlin 2009-03-26 10:30 am (UTC)(link)
Hell, what about Mercutio/Tybalt? THE SWORDS ARE A METAPHOR, BILL.

::cannot read the Queen Mab speech without giggling::
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To help you with your research...

[personal profile] fleurrochard 2009-03-25 01:50 pm (UTC)(link)
I hadn't read it before and I LOVED the movie.

Re: To help you with your research...

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
LOL. You just had to mess up my statistics, didn't you? *g*
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Re: To help you with your research...

[personal profile] fleurrochard 2009-03-25 08:25 pm (UTC)(link)
Absolutely!
I have to add though that I watched it with actually no previous knowledge about the plot or the characters - I only knew that it was about superheroes. I hadn't even watched a trailer.
Maybe people who haven't read the comic and hated the movie had certain expectations?

Re: To help you with your research...

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 06:17 am (UTC)(link)
*nods* The hype has been a problem, I think. I just enjoyed the film.
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[personal profile] mad_maudlin 2009-03-25 12:57 pm (UTC)(link)
I am waiting eagerly to finally see Watchmen. (Through...less than licit means, I admit. Shh.) The comic ate my brain so thoroughly that I immediately wrote an SGA mashup with it. One that now gets lots of passive-aggressive reviews on Wraithbait.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, I didn't know you wrote an SGA mashup with SGA. Is it posted somewhere other than Wraithbait? The fonts on Wraithbait squeeze too closely together and on my screen the tails of the "g" and "y" etc. get cut off. Not fun to read there.

Are you a beta tester for http://archiveofourown.org/ as yet?
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[personal profile] mad_maudlin 2009-03-26 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
It's here on LJ: The Superhuman Crew.

I sometimes wonder why I put up with Wraithbait when I get reviews like "I didn't like the death aspect but you're the author and that's how you chose to write it." i mean, ????

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 06:15 am (UTC)(link)
Hey, this week I got a Wraithbait review that told me that Tanlines & Dogtags "was not as advertised" -- not slash.

Uh.

Lorne and Sheppard are naked on beach. John masturbates for Lorne, who takes pictures. Lorne poses for naughty nude shots for John. John is blazingly, determinedly after Lorne.

Slash - Y/N?
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[personal profile] mad_maudlin 2009-03-26 10:26 am (UTC)(link)
The stupid...it burns...
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[identity profile] nicocoer.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 01:59 pm (UTC)(link)
:D glad you liked it!

and of course not!

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Me, too!

Sanskrit books: the perfect disguise.

[identity profile] wenelda.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 03:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I did read the comic and I didn't like the film. *shrug* I didn't like the comic either, though.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Ha! Okay, faithful film adaptation + didn't like the original = not surprised you didn't like it.

[identity profile] beadslut.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 04:26 pm (UTC)(link)
That's it. I need to introduce you to [livejournal.com profile] mollpeartree.

http://mollpeartree.livejournal.com/375619.html

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 08:17 pm (UTC)(link)
And she likes Bollywood movies, too. Thank you for the introduction!

[identity profile] mollpeartree.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 04:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Hi, I friended you so you could see the post [livejournal.com profile] beadslut pointed you to (my lj is friends-locked), don't feel obliged, etc.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Why thank you. And I don't feel obliged, I feel honored. *courtly bow*

[identity profile] mollpeartree.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Pshaw.
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[personal profile] amalthia 2009-03-25 09:45 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm going to mess up your stats. :) I hadn't read the comic but I really loved the movie. I loved the visuals, the story, and the characters. However to be fair I LOVE comic books movies so I was geared to enjoy this one unless it turned out like a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (which I kind of hated) I was afraid I wouldn't like it because I was rather meh about 300.

[identity profile] bruinsfan.livejournal.com 2009-03-25 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I had read the source material and had a mixed reaction to it. I thought the art direction was visually stunning, and liked most of the parts featuring Dan, Sally Jupiter, Rorscharch, and Osterman/Dr. Manhattan. But I thought Ozymandias was far too cartoony (extending to the sets and staging of all his scenes looking so stylized as to belong on the 1960s Batman show), the non-prison fight sequences were far too Wuxia style for non-powered masked vigilantes facing off against street thugs, and the soundtrack was so overwrought and ham-fisted that it made the scores of underdog-wins-the-big-game sports movies seem subtle by comparison.

I did think the opening credits sequence was a work of genius and well worth the admission price by itself. (Rumors have been circulating that another director was brought in to film those after Snyder was done.)

[identity profile] rellan.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 12:07 am (UTC)(link)
Watchmen. I still haven't read the comic. But I enjoyed the movie except for two moments of 'no, just, no'.

My favorite character was Rorschach.

Glad to hear all the goodness is being channeled into an improving WG.

Also good to hear that you're grades haven't suffered completely.
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[personal profile] venivincere 2009-03-26 01:58 am (UTC)(link)
Sending you both super-powered good wishes and health and happiness through the ether. Catch!

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2009-03-31 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you. Other than John's foot, everything seems to be going along swimmingly. But I have to put in my appeal to finish my Asian studies degree this week, or else.

[identity profile] lherelenfeline.livejournal.com 2009-03-26 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
Its always worth it to appeal. Always.

[identity profile] harveywallbang.livejournal.com 2009-03-30 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
i didn't read the graphic novels, and i liked it well enough. it was a very well-made movie, albeit a bit long, though condensing a story that huge, i can see why it was so long.
i loved staring at the blue penis. i know that makes me like 12, instead of 21, but whatever. it was tasteful, but also very fascinating, almost like a car accident i couldn't look away from.
it was good, i liked it, but i don't ever need to see it again.