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icarusOn Percy.
Now that the furor about Snape being "evil" has died down a bit, let's talk about Percy and all the new information about him.
What new information do you say?
Wellll... let's just have a looksee at what's implied with what little we know. And a warm thank you for the input of![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
lillian78, cheshyre, mad_maudlin, monzz, dphearson, tekalynn, biichan, leogryffin, cordelia_v, wickedelf, gail_b, and mark356.
See? We are many and we outrank you. :D
Percy In a Post-HBP World. What's the point?
We see so little of Percy in HBP that, as Mark points out, he might as well not be there at all.
Yet, oddly, he is.
Why not get rid of him? Oliver's barely mentioned. Zacharias makes the briefest of appearances -- plenty of characters vanish. Well, Percy's a Weasley you might say. The family's a huge part of Harry's life. Yet not only does Percy put in an obligatory family appearance in the middle of the book, he's mentioned at the beginning... and tellingly, he's pointed out at Dumbledore's funeral in the entourage of the new Minister-whose-name-I-can't-spell.
He's on friendly enough terms with the new Minister at Christmas to not fall all over himself as he did with Fudge, or blatantly worship as he did with Crouch. Oh yes, he's used. But he's clearly aware of it and calmly playing the game. (By the way, the Minister would be completely ignorant of Percy's troubles with his family. In such a world, one must be "normal" and "fit in" so family problems are left at home. The Minister would have said, "How about I join you for Christmas with your family?" and Percy would have answered, "Uh, yes. Sure.")
Over and over Percy's name is linked with the Ministry and those-in-power, and over and over again we see how the family, especially the twins (and Ginny) treat Percy.
Didn't Dumbledore warn us that the way house-elfs (and other creatures) have been treated is a large reason they won't help in the war against Voldemort? Now here we have someone with a clear grudge, who's been treated with as much respect as a house-elf (note the parsnips on his glasses and the twins' long history with Percy) persistently near power. Whose influence and position appears to be improving.
What happens if the trio needs help from Percy, a rule or two bent, or access to Ministry files?
Percy's Skyrocketing Career
Percy's survival of the ousting of Fudge is nothing less than startling. I've been writing blind-and-deluded!Percy for a while now, and I'm having to reassess.
Normally in politics (and corporations) the crew goes down with the captain -- especially someone new like Percy who was definitely Fudge's man. An Umbridge will survive, deeply entrenched as she is with myriad connections. A Percy? Pfft. Forget it.
In OotP I bought Arthur's insistence that Percy was promoted solely to keep an eye on the Order, yet I seem to have been wrong. Percy is no longer useful for that and he's still there. In fact, Percy immediately cut off contact with his family (and, note, any useful information about the Order) the moment his father suggested he hadn't earned his promotion. I'm kicking myself a bit because obviously Percy hasn't been a worthwhile spy on the Order all along. I just assumed Fudge kept him despite the fact he didn't serve his original purpose. But the fact Percy's still near power proves Arthur was wrong.
Is Percy actually competent?
He did run the international Triwizard Tournament at the age of eighteen, doing both his own and his boss' jobs. Granted, he wasn't suspicious of the notes from "Crouch," but that was largely his ego and ambition, happy to sieze the opportunity (note his dismissive attitute about Crouch "getting old" once he had the power in his tight little hands). Not a pleasant picture, but it doesn't show someone who's incapable; instead we find someone whose ethics are overrun by ego and ambition, and are flexible to the circumstances.
He's survived both an inquiry and Fudge.
How? What did he do? We don't know.
But normally it would require some combination of:
1) connections,
2) a willingness to bail on Fudge,
3) an ear to the ground and political ramifications,
4) instinct to avoid shark-infested waters and political losses,
5) ability to form links to the new camps (help oust Fudge even?),
6) maybe a little dirt on a few people,
7) links to the press (Percy did give those press statements in OotP),
... and last and probably least,
8) general competence at his job.
Having swum the shark-infested waters of an international corporation, I can tell you that none of this is easy.
Harry has grown up, but so has Percy. He's a player.
cheshyre joked about Percy becoming a "kingmaker." Yet has anyone noticed that now Percy's in with the new Minister suddenly Arthur has a better job? After all these years? No evidence for it whatsoever, of course, but it's an interesting coincidence, especially given Percy blamed his father's lack of ambition for the family's poverty and has something to prove.
Percy and Family
Would Percy care enough to help Arthur's job? Remember, it was Molly who wanted Arthur to be more successful.
When Percy comes to visit, it's obvious Percy has only done so for the Minister. The only person he speaks to his mother as he stares stiffly above everyone else's heads. He's arrogant and his walking out on Christmas day is heartbreaking for Molly (she cries till New Year's), if understandable. We only know about the parsnips on his glasses, but the twins and Ginny show no remorse and take no responsibility for driving him out. Ron says he's no loss. When Percy steps into the Weasley household, only Molly hugs him, and Arthur is hardfaced and cold. Percy has stepped into enemy territory.
It's harsh that he didn't turn up to visit Arthur in the hospital in OotP, that he doesn't check in on Bill in HBP (I'm not surprised about Ron because one of the trio's always injured). Percy's rejection of his family is cold. But given his reception on Christmas, in front of the Minister which would put most people on their best behaviour, I can't say I blame him. Do they want Percy there? The answer for everyone but Molly is no.
By arriving with the Minister, Percy is not just allowing the Minister to use him. He is using the Minister to send his father a message: you were wrong. But all the family sees is Percy being used again, ignoring that obviously this visit is not Percy's sole job responsibility (and it's a little egocentric of them to think so).
Frankly, the fact Percy makes this statement shows he does care about what they think. His stiffness with them demonstrates as much hurt as anger. The family dynamic where Percy is concerned has always been Molly setting him up as a target by using him as an example for the twins (Percy's own brittleness making it irresistible), the twins rubbing his nose in it, then Molly stepping in (to little effect). His father not believing in him must have been a blow, as if his own father were taking the twins' part: "Excuse me? You don't think I could get this job on my own?"
If Percy arranged for Arthur's new job, well, that will be an interesting father/son moment, as it's as much a humiliating "fuck you, I'm better than you, Dad" as it is helpful. But certainly if Percy does have the power, he's perfectly capable of rearranging his family's life to suit what his mum always wanted.
Far from a happy family resolution, I see impending disaster. It would take, I think, an actual death in the family to close the gap. I'm holding out for Ginny as the future corpse (calling Septumsempra a "good one" -- honestly, what kind of ethics does that girl have?).
Percy the Death Eater Lackey?
At this point, it seems unlikely Percy will be knowingly involved with "the bad guys." Percy's not evil, he's misguided. And now he doesn't seem all that misguided either. He has shown far too much political savvy to be saddled with a dodgy cause, though if Voldemort took over tomorrow he would certainly -- apparently -- survive. Probably with his job intact as Voldemort's personal assistant.
There's an interesting suggestion that Percy may be - or may find himself - under Imperius, much like the low level lackey in the Muggle Prime Minister's office at the beginning of HBP. The Muggle lackey could foreshadow what is in store for Percy. Rowling could be setting a sort of "poetic justice" as retribution for Percy not noticing Crouch's plight.
Without a doubt Percy's slavish devotion to rules makes him an ideal candidate for Imperius. The scenario is quite possible and could explain Percy's remarkable survival in the Ministry: dark forces are manuevering their unwitting puppet into position.
If so, is Percy already under the Imperius curse?
It is unlikely that the Imperius curse caused the split with his family as some have suggested. Voldemort clearly would have benefited from Percy as an inside source at Grimmauld Place. Also, so far as we've heard, Imperius causes strange behaviour, at least when it's being fought (note Crouch's behaviour, the Muggle lackey's). Percy's behaviour, while priggish and rude... okay, it's completely normal for Percy to be priggish and rude. Percy's very behaviour with his family -- the wounded pride, the brittle temper -- demonstrates that he was not under the Imperius curse at Christmas. However, he is ideally placed to have Imperius cast on him at some future date.
Percy and relationships, and let's face it, slash.
With his family completely out of the loop on Percy's life, this door is wide open. We don't know where he lives. We have no idea what Percy's personal life is like -- except that if he's available to drop in his family on Christmas at the Minister's whim, there isn't much of one.
Percy could be having chaste dates with well-connected witches to further his career. He could be sleeping with a reporter (the Percy/Rita ship looms large), or he could stopping by a wizard bathhouse and getting fucked against a wall twice a week. We have no idea.
What we do know is that Percy's obsession with appearances and money (as shown by his bet with Penny Clearwater in PoA, refusing to admit that he didn't have a Galleon to gamble on a Quidditch match) is now coupled with an actual thriving career, one which represents his entire self-worth. He's not going to risk that for anything.
We can also guess that Percy has had at least one and possibly two promotions since GoF, along with glowing performance reviews and the pay raises this entails. Whatever his personal life, he has an unusually high income for someone his age.
What we do need to remember is that, regardless of his competence and apparent success, Percy is only twenty years old. His mistakes will be those of a young man. Given how determined he is to prove he's all grown up, without a doubt there's someone in the picture, somewhere.
ETA: to correct Tekalynn's name and properly reference joke.
Now that the furor about Snape being "evil" has died down a bit, let's talk about Percy and all the new information about him.
What new information do you say?
Wellll... let's just have a looksee at what's implied with what little we know. And a warm thank you for the input of
lillian78, cheshyre, mad_maudlin, monzz, dphearson, tekalynn, biichan, leogryffin, cordelia_v, wickedelf, gail_b, and mark356.See? We are many and we outrank you. :D
Percy In a Post-HBP World. What's the point?
We see so little of Percy in HBP that, as Mark points out, he might as well not be there at all.
Yet, oddly, he is.
Why not get rid of him? Oliver's barely mentioned. Zacharias makes the briefest of appearances -- plenty of characters vanish. Well, Percy's a Weasley you might say. The family's a huge part of Harry's life. Yet not only does Percy put in an obligatory family appearance in the middle of the book, he's mentioned at the beginning... and tellingly, he's pointed out at Dumbledore's funeral in the entourage of the new Minister-whose-name-I-can't-spell.
He's on friendly enough terms with the new Minister at Christmas to not fall all over himself as he did with Fudge, or blatantly worship as he did with Crouch. Oh yes, he's used. But he's clearly aware of it and calmly playing the game. (By the way, the Minister would be completely ignorant of Percy's troubles with his family. In such a world, one must be "normal" and "fit in" so family problems are left at home. The Minister would have said, "How about I join you for Christmas with your family?" and Percy would have answered, "Uh, yes. Sure.")
Over and over Percy's name is linked with the Ministry and those-in-power, and over and over again we see how the family, especially the twins (and Ginny) treat Percy.
Didn't Dumbledore warn us that the way house-elfs (and other creatures) have been treated is a large reason they won't help in the war against Voldemort? Now here we have someone with a clear grudge, who's been treated with as much respect as a house-elf (note the parsnips on his glasses and the twins' long history with Percy) persistently near power. Whose influence and position appears to be improving.
What happens if the trio needs help from Percy, a rule or two bent, or access to Ministry files?
Percy's Skyrocketing Career
Percy's survival of the ousting of Fudge is nothing less than startling. I've been writing blind-and-deluded!Percy for a while now, and I'm having to reassess.
Normally in politics (and corporations) the crew goes down with the captain -- especially someone new like Percy who was definitely Fudge's man. An Umbridge will survive, deeply entrenched as she is with myriad connections. A Percy? Pfft. Forget it.
In OotP I bought Arthur's insistence that Percy was promoted solely to keep an eye on the Order, yet I seem to have been wrong. Percy is no longer useful for that and he's still there. In fact, Percy immediately cut off contact with his family (and, note, any useful information about the Order) the moment his father suggested he hadn't earned his promotion. I'm kicking myself a bit because obviously Percy hasn't been a worthwhile spy on the Order all along. I just assumed Fudge kept him despite the fact he didn't serve his original purpose. But the fact Percy's still near power proves Arthur was wrong.
Is Percy actually competent?
He did run the international Triwizard Tournament at the age of eighteen, doing both his own and his boss' jobs. Granted, he wasn't suspicious of the notes from "Crouch," but that was largely his ego and ambition, happy to sieze the opportunity (note his dismissive attitute about Crouch "getting old" once he had the power in his tight little hands). Not a pleasant picture, but it doesn't show someone who's incapable; instead we find someone whose ethics are overrun by ego and ambition, and are flexible to the circumstances.
He's survived both an inquiry and Fudge.
How? What did he do? We don't know.
But normally it would require some combination of:
1) connections,
2) a willingness to bail on Fudge,
3) an ear to the ground and political ramifications,
4) instinct to avoid shark-infested waters and political losses,
5) ability to form links to the new camps (help oust Fudge even?),
6) maybe a little dirt on a few people,
7) links to the press (Percy did give those press statements in OotP),
... and last and probably least,
8) general competence at his job.
Having swum the shark-infested waters of an international corporation, I can tell you that none of this is easy.
Harry has grown up, but so has Percy. He's a player.
cheshyre joked about Percy becoming a "kingmaker." Yet has anyone noticed that now Percy's in with the new Minister suddenly Arthur has a better job? After all these years? No evidence for it whatsoever, of course, but it's an interesting coincidence, especially given Percy blamed his father's lack of ambition for the family's poverty and has something to prove. Percy and Family
Would Percy care enough to help Arthur's job? Remember, it was Molly who wanted Arthur to be more successful.
When Percy comes to visit, it's obvious Percy has only done so for the Minister. The only person he speaks to his mother as he stares stiffly above everyone else's heads. He's arrogant and his walking out on Christmas day is heartbreaking for Molly (she cries till New Year's), if understandable. We only know about the parsnips on his glasses, but the twins and Ginny show no remorse and take no responsibility for driving him out. Ron says he's no loss. When Percy steps into the Weasley household, only Molly hugs him, and Arthur is hardfaced and cold. Percy has stepped into enemy territory.
It's harsh that he didn't turn up to visit Arthur in the hospital in OotP, that he doesn't check in on Bill in HBP (I'm not surprised about Ron because one of the trio's always injured). Percy's rejection of his family is cold. But given his reception on Christmas, in front of the Minister which would put most people on their best behaviour, I can't say I blame him. Do they want Percy there? The answer for everyone but Molly is no.
By arriving with the Minister, Percy is not just allowing the Minister to use him. He is using the Minister to send his father a message: you were wrong. But all the family sees is Percy being used again, ignoring that obviously this visit is not Percy's sole job responsibility (and it's a little egocentric of them to think so).
Frankly, the fact Percy makes this statement shows he does care about what they think. His stiffness with them demonstrates as much hurt as anger. The family dynamic where Percy is concerned has always been Molly setting him up as a target by using him as an example for the twins (Percy's own brittleness making it irresistible), the twins rubbing his nose in it, then Molly stepping in (to little effect). His father not believing in him must have been a blow, as if his own father were taking the twins' part: "Excuse me? You don't think I could get this job on my own?"
If Percy arranged for Arthur's new job, well, that will be an interesting father/son moment, as it's as much a humiliating "fuck you, I'm better than you, Dad" as it is helpful. But certainly if Percy does have the power, he's perfectly capable of rearranging his family's life to suit what his mum always wanted.
Far from a happy family resolution, I see impending disaster. It would take, I think, an actual death in the family to close the gap. I'm holding out for Ginny as the future corpse (calling Septumsempra a "good one" -- honestly, what kind of ethics does that girl have?).
Percy the Death Eater Lackey?
At this point, it seems unlikely Percy will be knowingly involved with "the bad guys." Percy's not evil, he's misguided. And now he doesn't seem all that misguided either. He has shown far too much political savvy to be saddled with a dodgy cause, though if Voldemort took over tomorrow he would certainly -- apparently -- survive. Probably with his job intact as Voldemort's personal assistant.
There's an interesting suggestion that Percy may be - or may find himself - under Imperius, much like the low level lackey in the Muggle Prime Minister's office at the beginning of HBP. The Muggle lackey could foreshadow what is in store for Percy. Rowling could be setting a sort of "poetic justice" as retribution for Percy not noticing Crouch's plight.
Without a doubt Percy's slavish devotion to rules makes him an ideal candidate for Imperius. The scenario is quite possible and could explain Percy's remarkable survival in the Ministry: dark forces are manuevering their unwitting puppet into position.
If so, is Percy already under the Imperius curse?
It is unlikely that the Imperius curse caused the split with his family as some have suggested. Voldemort clearly would have benefited from Percy as an inside source at Grimmauld Place. Also, so far as we've heard, Imperius causes strange behaviour, at least when it's being fought (note Crouch's behaviour, the Muggle lackey's). Percy's behaviour, while priggish and rude... okay, it's completely normal for Percy to be priggish and rude. Percy's very behaviour with his family -- the wounded pride, the brittle temper -- demonstrates that he was not under the Imperius curse at Christmas. However, he is ideally placed to have Imperius cast on him at some future date.
Percy and relationships, and let's face it, slash.
With his family completely out of the loop on Percy's life, this door is wide open. We don't know where he lives. We have no idea what Percy's personal life is like -- except that if he's available to drop in his family on Christmas at the Minister's whim, there isn't much of one.
Percy could be having chaste dates with well-connected witches to further his career. He could be sleeping with a reporter (the Percy/Rita ship looms large), or he could stopping by a wizard bathhouse and getting fucked against a wall twice a week. We have no idea.
What we do know is that Percy's obsession with appearances and money (as shown by his bet with Penny Clearwater in PoA, refusing to admit that he didn't have a Galleon to gamble on a Quidditch match) is now coupled with an actual thriving career, one which represents his entire self-worth. He's not going to risk that for anything.
We can also guess that Percy has had at least one and possibly two promotions since GoF, along with glowing performance reviews and the pay raises this entails. Whatever his personal life, he has an unusually high income for someone his age.
What we do need to remember is that, regardless of his competence and apparent success, Percy is only twenty years old. His mistakes will be those of a young man. Given how determined he is to prove he's all grown up, without a doubt there's someone in the picture, somewhere.
ETA: to correct Tekalynn's name and properly reference joke.
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Date: 2005-07-19 12:37 pm (UTC)Well, I'd imagine that reports of Order activities don't always make the Ministry happy. Percy could probably....alter? slightly modify? incoming reports to keep Ministry attention off of Order members.
(I mean, one would expect heavy attention on Lupin, as a known werewolf, what with Fenrir making trouble. Yet we don't hear about any problems in HBP.)
Plus, the Order members with day jobs in the Ministry would need to keep their hands clean, and having inside help on that would be advantageous.
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Date: 2005-07-19 12:56 pm (UTC)It's seems a little too good to be true -- one of the glories of Percy is that he's so very human.
Oh my. Can you imagine the number of agents out there that only connected Dumbledore? What are they going to do?
Icarus
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Date: 2005-07-19 01:12 pm (UTC)I can imagine all of those agents just being completely lost. Although, I can't imagine that Dumbledore wouldn't have seen that as a problem and made preparations. Particularly, if fandom's notion of Dumbledore knowing that he was going to die was accurate.
Of course, who the new spymaster is...that I don't know.
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Date: 2005-07-19 01:19 pm (UTC)Seek another source, at risk of blowing his cover. Oh, and not be believed. Heh. Would he continue with it, swearing under his breath?
Of course, who the new spymaster is...that I don't know.
It can't be Moody, he's too suspicious. Bill?
o.O Wouldn't that make for some interesting brotherly interaction? Only Bill knows, and he has to keep a lid on it as he hears the family complain, complain, complain.
Icarus
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Date: 2005-07-19 01:24 pm (UTC)Hard to tell. Depends on who his source is....I'm inclined to think that he'd continue going along with it (at least for a little while), but either grow increasingly bitter, or end up muffing something along the way (since he would have to gauge his new approval source very very carefully, else he would run the risk of blowing his cover ;-) ).
heh. ..but would Bill keep the secret from Fleur?
I'm inclined to look outside of the Weasley family for that connection. Heh. You could even make the argument that it would be Snape himself, and wouldn't that add a few complications...
heh. plot bunnies go hop hop hop.
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Date: 2005-07-19 01:32 pm (UTC)It would have to be someone in the order.
My plot bunnies are looking a little tepid at the moment, unless you're talking Percy and political corruption. He's just so... clean right now. Unless he's working very hard to keep a perfect front, cutting everyone out of the true story.
Icarus
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Date: 2005-07-20 05:16 am (UTC)*eyebrows raised*
Icarus
What could Percy do?
Date: 2005-07-19 02:07 pm (UTC)I'm not even sure he'd be doing this under Dumbledore's orders, but just to ensure smooth running for the Minister. [In a similar way, Percy could make matters infinitely more difficult for those he disliked.]
If he were doing this under Dumbledore's orders and then Dumbledore died, I don't see him making any drastic change (after all, then people might notice the change) but just continue with the status quo until somebody new came along asking for a status update or making a particular request.
I'm picturing Percy as a secretary to the Minister. Even if the job is divided among a secretarial pool, that means Percy has a chance to see and know everything that passes before the Minister's desk. That's an awful lot of power and information he has access to, which would be incredibly useful to the Order. He gets the big picture, including parts the Aurors may not see.
Heck, even from Crouch's small department, he noticed Bertha's disappearance and harped on it long before anybody else realized it was important.
What would Percy do?
That's why I could see the Order being very interested in Percy -- and also why Percy very likely would refuse. He might help Dumbledore or someone else he trusted, but I don't think he'd join the Order.
I don't think he would've spied on his family if Fudge had asked (and I don't think Fudge asked). That was probably the other reason he moved out of the house -- to eliminate that possibility.
So why would he spy on the Ministry for family when he wouldn't spy on family for the Ministry?
And given how closely the Weasleys are tied into the Order, the Order is family with all the tangled emotions that entails. Officially joining the Order (and showing up for meetings and taking guard assignments and the rest of it) means Percy and the other Weasleys have to reconcile, and unless something drastic happens, I think they're all too proud to bend.
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Date: 2005-07-25 12:43 am (UTC)I disagree with that thought, because it doesn't take into account the fact that Percy might be doing it because he wants to avoid recognition.
Does Percy like being praised for his work? Yes. I'm not discounting this fact, merely placing another, more pressing idea above it.
Percy's obsessed with status. Whether as a result of being the middle child and Weasley, or just a natural personality trait that would have shown up anyway, Percy likes being in power. He likes being respected, if not popular, and he enjoys being trusted by his superiors. He hates being ridiculed.
Therefore, wouldn't he be more likely to bend the truth to keep his own hands clean? I mean, Mr. Weasley got bitten by a snake while guarding the Department of Mysteries against a threat the Minister of Magic refused to believe existed. Harry Potter, close friend of Ronald Weasley, got into loads of trouble with Umbridge and was for a time believed mentally incompetent. Fred and George Weasley turned an entire Hogwarts hallway into a swamp, or perhaps it was a quagmire, before giving Peeves the poltergeist an order he was only too happy to fill and racing out of school on their brooms, and Ginny Weasley attacked Draco Malfoy with a bat-bogey hex. Basically, the only two sibs who had clean noses at the beginning of HBP were Bill and Charlie, and that was because people expected them to do dangerous things.
Percy, if he's as politically clever as you think, would want to avoid association with lurking, crazies, delinquency, and illegal underage magic as much as possible. Therefore, I believe that he could make himself appear just a bit less competent in order to make it appear that Arthur was working late, point out the difference between Ron and Harry, distance himself from the twins (at least until their joke shop picked up ("Oh, they'd test their products on me all the time at home. Quite clever, really...")), or make sure Ginny's hex was viewed as self defense. In order to be viewed in the best light possible, he'd want to keep his family at clean as possible.