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This is probably scary coming from a Buddhist, but:

You know the Bible 74%!
 

Wow! You are truly a student of the Bible! Some of the questions were difficult, but they didn't slow you down! You know the books, the characters, the events . . . Very impressive!

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What?

Yeah, those "which book follows which" questions? No clue. Hooray random guessing.

[livejournal.com profile] wildernessguru's very sad, and [livejournal.com profile] filenotch has a point: I haven't been through losing a parent and have no way of knowing what he's going through. All I know is that for many people, their last word is "mom."

I'm now listening to John Sheppard skating music. Come on, Out Of Bounds, cheer me up....

Date: 2007-01-20 08:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enname.livejournal.com
I got 64%, but I guess I tend to read more about people who write about it, than actually it. Very medieval answers give I.

True, that is a point. Still it doesn't matter really, because even those who have lost a parent go through it differently on an individual basis. Sometimes understanding first hand does no more assist the person going through it, than someone who hasn't, but is willing to just be there and be supportive. Paying attention to him, and what he says is perhaps better than falling back into your own pain and loss.

I'd dance oddly if I thought it would help, but alas..

Date: 2007-01-21 12:37 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
That's too funny. I think you know it too well and probably put more thought into your answers.

Paying attention to him, and what he says is perhaps better than falling back into your own pain and loss.

Yeah, and trying not to get caught up in my own melodrama, definitely.

I'd dance oddly if I thought it would help, but alas..

What? You mean you can't dance oddly? *g* I'll settle for some katas.

Date: 2007-01-21 01:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] enname.livejournal.com
*grin* Well I hope I'd be able to answer the quiz simiarly for at least a couple of other religious texts as well. Don't want to seem too biased.

I'll settle for some katas.

You think my dance style involves something else? :P Most useful things under the sun, kata.

Date: 2007-01-20 08:14 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] florahart
I haven't lost a parent either, but I would think that one thing would be, given this is a pretty final kind of thing, he's probably doing some of his grieving now, even though it hasn't actually happened yet. This doesn't mean he won't have more to do when it does, but it does kind of mean just like any other grieving process, what you said yourself about feeling what he feels because that is just the way it is, is still true because as we know, there is no wrong way to grieve.

I do think there is something to be said for offering him the opportunity (at any point in this process) to do things which are useful, but not particularly demanding or necessary. I think many people (but of course, not all people) find they need not pure distraction in a no-real-utility way but sort of distraction that has purpose without pressure. I don't know whether that makes sense or is right in this case.

Date: 2007-01-21 12:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
he's probably doing some of his grieving now, even though it hasn't actually happened yet.

He is, most definitely.

I do think there is something to be said for offering him the opportunity (at any point in this process) to do things which are useful, but not particularly demanding or necessary.

Actually, I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean do something for her in some practical way, yes, I agree. He's a little too far for that, though I know he'd like to.

Icarus

Date: 2007-01-21 01:02 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] florahart
Well, what I mean is not actually about doing thigs for her, but just, doing things that are useful, without them being pressureful. I think one of the things we do badly as a society is that we tend to either try to take all tasks away fro the grieving person, leaving her or him to flail around with nothing but the ow, or we given them tasks (sometimes ones like planning funerals) that are pressureful and don't leave them time to have the emotion they have. And I think there is middle ground: giving them tasks which are not busywork--useful things, but are also not ones that if they get distracted, it's a disaster. What that middle ground really looks like depends on the person, but the main point is, I think in trying to take off pressure, it's easy to take off TOO MUCH and leave the grieving party ungrounded and struggling to see anything but the grief.

Date: 2007-01-22 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
I'm going to keep this in mind. For the present it's a non-issue, we're too sick to do much of anything, but later on, yeah.

Date: 2007-01-20 08:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alchemine.livejournal.com
All I can say is that life does continue, even after the most catastrophic loss. It doesn't feel as if it ought to go on -- it feels as if the whole world ought to stop in place -- but it goes on anyway, and you get carried along with it. I imagine it's harder for [livejournal.com profile] wildernessguru, though, because he knows so far in advance that it's going to happen. Six months is a short time to live, but it's a damned long time to die.

My deepest sympthies to him, and hugs to both of you.

Date: 2007-01-20 02:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filenotch.livejournal.com
Six months is a short time to live, but it's a damned long time to die.

No, I'm sorry, but it's not long. Not damn near long enough.

Date: 2007-01-20 04:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alchemine.livejournal.com
I'm sorry too. I think you've misunderstood my meaning.

Date: 2007-01-20 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filenotch.livejournal.com
I understood your intent, but at the risk of sounding flippant: Been there. Done that. Held the hand at the last breath.

Date: 2007-01-21 01:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] alchemine.livejournal.com
I'm very sorry for your loss. My husband was ill for years and passed away suddenly last summer, so perhaps you and I have just had different experiences.

Date: 2007-01-21 02:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
Oh, I, uh, kinda just told Filenotch in a private screened comment. Call it an 'oops' moment. I've had my share.


Date: 2007-01-21 11:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filenotch.livejournal.com
And let no one doubt in the future my oft-stated contention that I'm an asshole.

I've been present at three deaths. In one case, twenty four hours was almost too long. In another, nine months wasn't damn long enough. No one can know what it's like for someone else. Your original comment hit me in a very sore spot. I shot from the hip on the assumption that it was typical LJ cluelessness. Guilty as charged. Apologies if I added to your pain. Sincere ones.

Date: 2007-01-21 12:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
All I can say is that life does continue, even after the most catastrophic loss. It doesn't feel as if it ought to go on -- it feels as if the whole world ought to stop in place -- but it goes on anyway, and you get carried along with it.

This means a great deal coming from you.

Six months is a short time to live, but it's a damned long time to die.

You're right. WG's mother told us after Christmas that "I feel like I've had a year-long funeral." People coming to see her, coming out of the woodwork, and each visit a reminder that "they're here because they know I'm going to die." The sad, longing, and compassionate looks on their faces. That's hard. And very depressing for her.

Icarus

Date: 2007-01-21 06:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mkcs.livejournal.com
My husband's aunt had a wake before she died of cancer. It was great: many speeches and some tears and all the people she loved.

Date: 2007-01-22 01:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
I just learned that they've requested no funeral, because it would just be too hard for WG's dad.

Thank god. Funeral's suck, and WG would spend the whole time worrying about what shoes to wear because he's really a t-shirt and jeans kind of guy.

Icarus

Date: 2007-01-20 10:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancing-moon.livejournal.com
I got 77% and I hardly knew half the people. Why can't I be this lucky in school tests?

Date: 2007-01-21 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
Because the school tests are harder?

Icarus

Date: 2007-01-20 11:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] xikum.livejournal.com
You know the Bible 97%!

Wow! You are awesome! You are a true Biblical scholar, not just a hearer but a personal reader! The books, the characters, the events, the verses - you know it all! You are fantastic!

Um, I don't think so...I did guess at a few.

Heh. I'm Wiccan, have been for well, about 30 years. Before that,I was Catholic - That was the last time I read the Bible... so what I recalled for this quiz, was based on memories from very long ago! It always used to get me that other faiths always thought that just because Catholics don't quote chapter & verse, that meant they didn't read it.



I'm sorry to hear about your loss. I'm afraid I may be mourning my father soon. I remember being really so lost when my grandmother died.

Take care of yourself!

Date: 2007-01-21 12:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
Well, it hasn't happened yet. But she been given six months to live and WG is definitely feeling it now.

Date: 2007-01-20 02:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] emeraldjay.livejournal.com
I can't imagine what WG is going through by knowing in advance. I guess in some ways I can thank the fates for the suddenness of loss of my step-father.

Date: 2007-01-21 12:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
That's what WG's sister feels. For her it's the hardest because she's been in there with the doctor's for the last eight months.

Date: 2007-01-20 03:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] filenotch.livejournal.com
87%

"Wow! You are awesome! You are a true Biblical scholar, not just a hearer but a personal reader! The books, the characters, the events, the verses - you know it all! You are fantastic!"

That's funny. In an evil and ironic way.

Date: 2007-01-21 12:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
It's surprising what we know, isn't it?

Date: 2007-01-20 04:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pervert-bitch.livejournal.com
You know the Bible 90%!
 

Wow! You are awesome! You are a true Biblical scholar, not just a hearer but a personal reader! The books, the characters, the events, the verses - you know it all! You are fantastic!

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I must have a damn good memory since I haven't read the Bible for real in ten years :P

Date: 2007-01-21 12:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
Mine was mostly luck... and choosing c when I wasn't sure. ;)

Date: 2007-01-21 06:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mkcs.livejournal.com
I got somewhere in the high nineties, and I'm a strict atheist. So it goes.

Date: 2007-01-22 02:01 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
We pick these things up anyway, because it's just... there.

(Also, the people who didn't think too much about their answers did the best on this test. I'm feeling less smug though. *g*)

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