I've been following the whole debacle where two fan artists who posted Harry Potter drawings have had their journals suspended, all their unrelated journals suspended, and been issued permanent bans from LJ. It's now officially called boldthrough. The fact that LJ tried to cover its ass by unlinking deleted journals (thus no more obvious
icarus) has irritated me the most. Cowards. Pick a policy, make it clear, and stick with it. Then you don't need to cover your ass when you've followed your own damned rules.
I described the whole situation to WG and he got that narrow-eyed look he gets when he's seeing through the bullshit. The guys at his work says he looks like a cop, and I agree.
He said finally, "They're being threatened at LJ."
Yep.
Based on the Rolling Stone article, Perverted Justice is just another hate group, one that's got a popular target. Like the KKK in the post-Civil War south.
The real fear is not online predators. It's a fear of technology with "online sex predators!" as a buzzword.
Regarding moving to another service:
It's hard for me to move. I'm scattered across four fandoms. The HP readers and friends might pack up and leave while the Stargate Atlantis and Supernatural people stay put. Wherever we go, we'll face the same problems from people who can't distinguish between art and reality.
I support the idea of a fan-created blog network, and I think femmequixotic's response -- "Let's think it through first" -- is the right one.
That's how I left Earthlink. I didn't get up in arms or inconvenience myself.
- First I bought my Slashcity account and moved all my fics to it from my old Earthlink page.
- Then I changed whatever links to my old site I could.
- I added new fics, got everyone up to speed and in the habit of using my new site for about six months beforehand.
- My next move should have been a redirect to the new site but I didn't know how to do that.
- I'd already moved my email to Yahoo and Gmail.
Finally, Earthlink pissed me off one more time, with a service outage for three days that they didn't even apologize for. When I canceled my service, I was transfered to a hard-sell guy in India.
Hard sell guy: "But you will lose all your contacts to your email account."
Icarus: "I use gmail."
He never brought up the web space which was the main thing keeping me there. I guess he understood I was serious.
Make it easy for yourself to move:
1) Go back through your posts and link all your art and fanfiction to a website or archive. If you have a comment feature there, so much the better. This has the plus of enabling you to track hit counts on your stories and protects you from any problems whether you leave or not (Slashcity.com is one fandom friendly option and their tiny plan is only $24 a year).
2) Back up your LJ at your leisure (how-to back-up instructions here). I found this process excruciatingly slow, by the way (archiving program LJArchive here).
3) Post elsewhere as well as in LJ from here on out. I understand if you use Semagic (download Semagic XP version here) you can post to multiple journals at once (
snapetoy's how-to post to multiple journals here). That could save you many headaches as you're backing up every time you post.
4) Keep up on
fanarchive and the latest fan efforts to create our own service. Do a little research. (
fandom_flies is one community tracking the progress and direction of an exodus.)
Once you have a better alternative, or your flist is emptying like rats on a sinking ship ... all you have to do is turn the key in the ignition.
I described the whole situation to WG and he got that narrow-eyed look he gets when he's seeing through the bullshit. The guys at his work says he looks like a cop, and I agree.
He said finally, "They're being threatened at LJ."
Yep.
Based on the Rolling Stone article, Perverted Justice is just another hate group, one that's got a popular target. Like the KKK in the post-Civil War south.
The real fear is not online predators. It's a fear of technology with "online sex predators!" as a buzzword.
Regarding moving to another service:
It's hard for me to move. I'm scattered across four fandoms. The HP readers and friends might pack up and leave while the Stargate Atlantis and Supernatural people stay put. Wherever we go, we'll face the same problems from people who can't distinguish between art and reality.
I support the idea of a fan-created blog network, and I think femmequixotic's response -- "Let's think it through first" -- is the right one.
That's how I left Earthlink. I didn't get up in arms or inconvenience myself.
- First I bought my Slashcity account and moved all my fics to it from my old Earthlink page.
- Then I changed whatever links to my old site I could.
- I added new fics, got everyone up to speed and in the habit of using my new site for about six months beforehand.
- My next move should have been a redirect to the new site but I didn't know how to do that.
- I'd already moved my email to Yahoo and Gmail.
Finally, Earthlink pissed me off one more time, with a service outage for three days that they didn't even apologize for. When I canceled my service, I was transfered to a hard-sell guy in India.
Hard sell guy: "But you will lose all your contacts to your email account."
Icarus: "I use gmail."
He never brought up the web space which was the main thing keeping me there. I guess he understood I was serious.
Make it easy for yourself to move:
1) Go back through your posts and link all your art and fanfiction to a website or archive. If you have a comment feature there, so much the better. This has the plus of enabling you to track hit counts on your stories and protects you from any problems whether you leave or not (Slashcity.com is one fandom friendly option and their tiny plan is only $24 a year).
2) Back up your LJ at your leisure (how-to back-up instructions here). I found this process excruciatingly slow, by the way (archiving program LJArchive here).
3) Post elsewhere as well as in LJ from here on out. I understand if you use Semagic (download Semagic XP version here) you can post to multiple journals at once (
4) Keep up on
Once you have a better alternative, or your flist is emptying like rats on a sinking ship ... all you have to do is turn the key in the ignition.
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Date: 2007-08-05 09:12 pm (UTC)Both of those are very touchy when they go to court. Community standards, in particular, is very unclear, and there's been no coherent internet test case. The last case that was relevant was a California couple that got busted for supplying "obscenity" to someone in Texas--the receiver was on their BBS. But there's been nothing involving webpages open to the public.
And LJ's staff decided both of those things--and isn't willing to tell people what community's standards they're using, nor how they decide "artistic value."
The impression we're left with is "if our staff members think it's offensive, it's offensive by community standards, 'cos we're members of the community" and "if we think there's no real art here, there isn't."
And, of course, nothing requires them to remove the journal without warning. Unless, of course, they think that it's not "maybe someone might think this could be a violation"--which isn't what they said... if they think this *is* a violation, they need to report it to law enforcement, or else they're complicit in the crime.
PJ may be happy to learn they've lost their Safe Harbor status by deciding what does, and does not, qualify as obscene by the Miller test.
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Date: 2007-08-05 09:17 pm (UTC)LJ should have foreseen this and had a policy, maybe, but as you said - no real test cases mean no help when setting out guidelines.
I do think that over the course of the next few months there will be a major overhaul in the TOS; if there isn't, they are just asking for more trouble - and it can be easily avoided.
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Date: 2007-08-05 09:35 pm (UTC)Who's we?
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Date: 2007-08-05 11:17 pm (UTC)I've seen people fired for using one word instead of the other because of the lawsuits that would follow, it's a cutthroat business.
What with 6A now becoming a recognisable name in corporate business (they provide a hell of a lot of companies with offical blog hosting), I can understand their paranoia... I don't agree with the lack of clarity on their behalf, but I do know why they are doing what they are.
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Date: 2007-08-05 09:34 pm (UTC)I'm not getting all hot and bothered about it, though I'm supporting my local fan artist as we speak. It's too blazing hot today.
Icarus