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icarusancalion ([personal profile] icarus) wrote2008-03-29 12:16 pm
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John's beater from Out Of Bounds. Joe Flanigan posed mostly nude?

WG and I have come to a truce on John's car in Out Of Bounds.

I thought I found John's car from Out Of Bounds.

The 1978 Chevy Caprice, which he bought in 1989, just after he graduated high school:


[livejournal.com profile] wildernessguru says, "No way does John drive that. No guy would drive that land yacht."

"Okay," I asked him, "So what does he drive?"

He suggested a Dodge Dart. I told him that John's car has to have a back seat, and the Dart's back seat is way too small. I pointed out that John has had this car forever. It spends most of the story in various states of disrepair. (Mostly the heat's broken. In Canada.) He said, "Whatever, no way would John drive that."

Sigh. It's not like John can afford a muscle car or anything sporty. I kept hunting.

After an evening spent cruising cars in the Lemon-ade Guide, I showed [livejournal.com profile] wildernessguru the following. WG's cool with the 1980 Chevy Caprice Classic although John's obviously wouldn't be black (his is burgundy) or in mint condition like this one:


"More of a beater," he said, but he agreed with this choice.

I said, "You mean like this?"


"Yeah," he said.

We'll not tell him that's another photo of the original car, or that the only difference between the first and second car was the model year. *snickers*

Did you know about Joe Flanigan posing mostly nude for About Face? This is the first I'd heard of the project.

He looks both vulnerable, uncomfortable, and intense. Off-balance. It's a very interesting photo for more reasons than the obvious.

[identity profile] droolfangrrl.livejournal.com 2008-03-29 07:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Who me, tell? Why never! I'm the soul of discretion.

And I see what you mean, i think?

p.s. where mah story womman???!!!
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[identity profile] rikibeth.livejournal.com 2008-03-29 07:36 pm (UTC)(link)
The Caprice reminds me of a... 1975? 1978? I think it was a '78 Ford LTD that a boy I knew had back in 1986. Even the FRONT seats were roomy in that one.

The boy I dated in 1987 had a '74 Dodge Shadow... kind of the sport model of the Dart. He had moved out of his parents' house that fall, so the size of the back seat was never an issue. I think it might have done for us, but not for a tall, bulky guy.

I'm amused.

[identity profile] byandby.livejournal.com 2008-03-29 07:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree that he does look off balance. He looks more uncomfortable than some of the other guys. But so many of them look vulnerable. I kinda want to give them all hugs.

[identity profile] crownglass39.livejournal.com 2008-03-29 08:05 pm (UTC)(link)
That is so totally John's car!

About JF's picture...what happened to his shoulders? It looks likes they've completely collapsed in the picture, doesn't it?

[identity profile] rabidfan.livejournal.com 2008-03-29 08:35 pm (UTC)(link)
The 80's versiion is pretty much a muscle car. It had a big engine and was awesome to drive. Lot's of power. John could never afford the gas.

JF has the worst posture. It is one of the things that makes me crazy about him portraying a military guy...my husband (and all my family, really) is military and all wail whenever JF is on screen, "No Lite Col. would STAND like that!!!! Where's his spine??" It's actually pretty funny to see them sputter when I say, "Yes, but isn't he pretty??" Good times.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2008-03-29 08:36 pm (UTC)(link)
The story is set in 1999, when gas was $1.50 a gallon.

[identity profile] rabidfan.livejournal.com 2008-03-29 08:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, but salaries where just about that low too! My brother's first "real" job made him a whopping 2.45 per hour...better than my sister's first at 1.65 (tho that one was way before 1999)

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2008-03-29 08:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Your brother didn't make shit. My first job in 1985 was $3.75 an hour. Also, someone was breaking minimum wage laws then, because minimum wage in 1999 was around $6 an hour iirc.

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[identity profile] spock74.livejournal.com 2008-03-29 09:00 pm (UTC)(link)
Am I the only one who found that site a bit creepy? In a kind of little-boys-in-their-tighty-whities-in-an-old-calvin-klein-ad way? And I'm sure I know who most of those guys are, but I only recognized a few of them. I suppose that's a credit to the artist and the stripped-down appearance of all the subjects.

But Joe looked totally hot. And his hair deserves it's own photograph.

[identity profile] rabidfan.livejournal.com 2008-03-29 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, he still doesnt' make shit...it's his cross to bear.

There are ways around the minimum wage thing...tho for the life of me I can't remember what the ways are. Something about the number of employees and ages, but I'm clueless as to what. I myself am the only member of my family to actually make more than minimum wage on my first job (teaching other drones how to ring up Kentucky Fried Chicken!) but only by 10 cents. It's a small (oh, so small) thing to be superior in but it is all I have.

[identity profile] lexstar29.livejournal.com 2008-03-29 09:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I hadn't heard about the About Face project either. I agree it's an interesting photo. Raises all kinds of questions in it, which of course is the mark of a good photo but all the same. I agree that he looks very uncomfortable. He almost doesn't look like himself either in an odd way. Thanks for pointing it out.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2008-03-29 11:31 pm (UTC)(link)
The photographer seems to have stripped away Joe's surface attitudes and poses. We're left with something raw, and it's not about how beautiful he is, it's about... it seems to communicate his investment in other people finding him attractive (at least for this shoot). And that he's not sure how people will respond.

[identity profile] auburnnothenna.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
Why are black and white pictures so amazing?

But that picture, I've been looking and trying to articulate my response to it. Of course, he's a gorgeous man and it is an excellent picture, but it isn't the standard pretty shot, is it?

The words that came to mind first were intense, sad, vulnerable, and tired. Exposed. Almost desperate. And that was when it hit me, that picture is like a shot of a prisoner, stripped down, staring into the camera and trying convey a connection to whoever it will be sent to. It's like a proof of life and at the same time a display of power.
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[identity profile] monanotlisa.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 12:41 am (UTC)(link)
I never get the idea that he considers himself particularly beautiful--and oh, I've met a few good-looking guys who think they hung the moon, the stars, and the rest of the universe, appearance-wise.

(God, I love that shot. "Intense" is right.)
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[identity profile] monanotlisa.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 12:47 am (UTC)(link)
Of course, he's a gorgeous man and it is an excellent picture, but it isn't the standard pretty shot, is it?

It's not, and I think it couldn't be because Joe isn't your standard pretty man--he has an odd face, in some ways, but there's something else, in the composition of his features, in the way he uses his face to express himself, that makes him extraordinary.

A prisoner. Hmm. That'd explain the...almost trapped look. I wonder, how this came to be? Through Russo, obviously, but why Joe Flanigan? I mean, we all know why; all of us discussing this see there's something amazing and compelling about him...but others, among so many more famous stars with, I guess, not that I care, "gorgeous" faces.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 01:30 am (UTC)(link)
Yes. And not his power.

I wonder how the photographer got that. I think he waited and waited and waited before taking the photograph.

[identity profile] auburnnothenna.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
No, no, not his power. The photographer's. The picture taker.

I think you're right. Russo must have waited and waited, waited past the chance to snap when Joe was oblivious or thinking of anything else, past when he was annoyed, just waited in silence until Joe was more and more uncomfortable, until he was completely focused on Russo, to catch that expression.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
If I were trying to get that kind of effect....

I would make the studio empty. Very spartan. Maybe a little bit cool. I would have a couple of assistants so that the subject felt a little outnumbered, and I would make sure they didn't have anything familiar with them. No friends. No family, wives, whatever.

I might make them wait a bit before they're let in, increasing their nervousness (I'd practice this with models for a while till I got the timing right). Then I'd have them strip and not even wear underwear they're used to.

I'd put the place where they sit in the middle of a bare open room. Circle them so they felt a little hunted, standing dressed while they're nude. Probably have at least one person out of sight behind them so they can't keep their eyes on everyone.

Then I'd use my voice to keep the subject riveted on me (the assistants aren't allowed to speak a whisper). I'd gauge carefully whether I'd be reassuring, supply compliments, or how I'd settle them enough for a good photo.

Check it out. All of those men have the same trapped "what the hell is going on here?" look.

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 01:41 am (UTC)(link)
I think Russo likes it, too. It's one of the three he picked to open his gallery, and Joe Flanigan's not the most famous or the handsomest there. I think he's proud of what he caught on film.

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[identity profile] monanotlisa.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
Huh--I only checked out Ian Somerhalder, who's beautiful if a little creepy, and he looked significantly less trapped, haunted, whatever you want to call it. But perhaps I am ascribing a shallowness to him that's present only in my perception of more classic "pretty boys."

I would make the studio empty. Very spartan. Maybe a little bit cool. I would have a couple of assistants so that the subject felt a little outnumbered, and I would make sure they didn't have anything familiar with them. No friends. No family, wives, whatever.

I might make them wait a bit before they're let in, increasing their nervousness (I'd practice this with models for a while till I got the timing right). Then I'd have them strip and not even wear underwear they're used to.

I'd put the place where they sit in the middle of a bare open room. Circle them so they felt a little hunted, standing dressed while they're nude. Probably have at least one person out of sight behind them so they can't keep their eyes on everyone.

Then I'd use my voice to keep the subject riveted on me (the assistants aren't allowed to speak a whisper). I'd gauge carefully whether I'd be reassuring, supply compliments, or how I'd settle them enough for a good photo.
I have no doubt you'd do this. & ;-) But honestly, of course I can see the appeal of it--an artist going for something that strips away the outer layers of easy confidence and male charm that these celebrities would have.
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[identity profile] monanotlisa.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 01:44 am (UTC)(link)
Good point! Yes, I think you're right--and my respect for Russo as a photo artist has grown a lot; he definitely doesn't just have the eye but some sense for...soul, I guess.

(Yes, I immediately iconised it. Sue me. Or no, wait; Russo's hounds will do that.)
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[identity profile] sobelle.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
Re: Ian Somerhalder.... he was a professional model before he entered acting so I suspect he's got a little more experience with being treated as ~incidental~ or as a ~meat model~

One of my nieces was a model (Ford agency) and she said that you had to get used to being stripped naked while clothes were being changed and not be bothered if you were the only one naked in a room of people...

I don't expect that JF has/had that kind of experience hence his ~real~ and ~almost haunted~ look...

Very cool project... thanks for the heads up!

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 05:28 am (UTC)(link)
LOL. When I noticed his choices for the three gallery opening shots, I was much more interested in Russo as an artist. His web page says that he's looking at aesthetic beauty, which sounds soooo superficial, but his choices suggest that he's looking a little deeper, or his concept of beauty is well-rounded. And I agree with him, too. Complexity is beautiful.

Huh. I found this in google last night while looking for photos of younger Joe for my descriptions in Out Of Bounds. The fandom hive mind is an amazing thing. Turns out [livejournal.com profile] winterhive and [livejournal.com profile] sheafrotherdon found it at the same time. *shakes head in amazement*


[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 05:51 am (UTC)(link)
I'm re-reading the whole thing to get back into it. :)

[identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com 2008-03-30 05:54 am (UTC)(link)
No, indeed.

His top three picks are the ones where the celebrities look the most vulnerable, too. I think I like this photographer....

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