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There is something about taking a bath at one o'clock in the morning that is so decadent.

I've read porn... Ron/Draco from [livejournal.com profile] isiscolo, Harry/Ron/Percy from [livejournal.com profile] hp_femme, Harry/Snape from [livejournal.com profile] goseaward.

I've had steak. Served to me by the delightful and obedient (mostly) [livejournal.com profile] wildernessguru. I've had Haagen Dazs. I need some brie, but that can wait for tomorrow.

And I'm a year younger today. Due to poor math skills, but still.



1. Certain really good writers cannot write porn.
I don't know why this is. They write wonderful plots, terrific dialogue, vivid and very real description and emotionally intuitive characterisation. All the elements are there. But for some reason, their sex just becomes robotic or clogged with euphemisms or florid emotionalism. Or something.

2. 'Snarry', 'Snaco', etc ad infinitum makes me briefly shut my eyes and cringe. I mentally deduct 12 points from the IQ of anyone who uses these. Yes, even my friends.

3. I find the idea of chan hot, though I am disturbed by this. Most of the popular Chan stories, however, don't turn me on.

4. I don't like Sirius, and don't care that he's dead. If he were in my book, I would have killed him off too, just to remove the paternal figure and isolate Harry.

5. I think certain character death fics are brilliant. That said: I hate them all. I will read bestiality before I read deathfics.

6. Paradoxically, I believe that Harry will die in book seven.

7. All Mary Sues suck. Even good, well-written Mary Sues with excellent plots, characterisation and so forth.

8. Canon Draco hates Harry and Ron (and Hermione). In order for there to be enough change in Draco to even tolerate them, you have to change Draco. Thus Fanon Draco. Deal.

9. I can't really think of another opinion. I'm not much into these Fandom Meta things.

10. Oh. Yeah. In all honesty, I think it's fairly shitty for us to be using JKR's characters, especially since she hasn't finished her series. I chalk it up to an addiction. You know you should stop, but you just can't.

From: [identity profile] dphearson.livejournal.com
Damn! #1 describes me!
#4=Muhahaha! that is so cold. That is evil. That is so cool!

#7- again, that describes me!
#10- I don't. You paid alot of money to buy that book;JKR is living a secure and happy life now. She has the finiancial freedom to write even more brilliant works and take care of her children. We are not stealing her stuff (since we don't sell our hackery, all this is is speculation amongst like minded people. So, write away!
From: [identity profile] mimine.livejournal.com
Damn! #1 describes me!

What? Your Severus/Kingsley was hot as hell! You do write good smut! Write more!

I can't begin to say how much I agree with 4 as well. Heh... good riddance. I don't care how much JKR cried and wailed over it. I think she's lying, anyway.

Erm... [livejournal.com profile] icarusancalion I'll be going away now... I've been getting a little obsessed with this meme, that's all.

Date: 2003-11-20 06:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] violetisblue.livejournal.com
"I don't like Sirius, and don't care that he's dead."

My mother and I both phoned each other with the exact same reaction to that bit: "Hooray, IT WASN'T REMUS!"

Date: 2003-11-20 06:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinderblast.livejournal.com
I like the way that Harry/Dumbledore can be shortened to 'Hore,' i have to admit, and I like the sheer offensiveness of 'Snotter.' I hate Snarry, even if I've used it on occasion. With fingertips curling in distaste.

Agree with #1, but I usually find that the sex is perfunctory and dry, rather than just boring.

-brodie

Date: 2003-11-20 09:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harveywallbang.livejournal.com
wow, whenever i see a fic marked harry/dumbledore, i run away from it as fast as i can...but that abbreviation kills me... good ole Hore fics..lmao..yeah...snarry is just...bah..it's like, they're so lazy they can't even refer to it as harry/snape, or whatever.. Snotter? dear god..

Date: 2003-11-20 10:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lizardspots.livejournal.com
I completely agree with you on #4 - I can't stand Sirius, and I was actually glad he died - I mean, come on! He was an utter shit to Snape, and a total smug bastard! I'm infinitely glad it wasn't Remus, cos he is beyond cool.

*ahem*, sorry Sirius-fans, won't let that happen again...

I don't mind "Snarry" too much, but "Snaco" just takes the cake. *shakes head* I personally never use abbreviations.

The fact that chan can be hot disturbs me, too. But I find it even more disturbing when I find chan art hot.

Anyway, that's my two cents.

-Lizard :)

PS: I never got round to saying this, but HAPPY BIRTHDAY! For two days ago, anyway lol.

Date: 2003-11-20 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harveywallbang.livejournal.com
1. i've read so much porn, that it's really all the same kind of. well, the fact that after reading so much, it all blurs together. and yeah, it's usually the writers who have the most amazing plot lines who write the mechanical sex...but everynow and then i'll find an amazing fic that has a fabulous plot and fabulous sex (i.e. any of cinnamon's fics, and your primer, which i know i've told you was the first thing to get me hooked on porn..lol)and then it's just a good evening to sit back and read it..
4. even though i cried my eyes out when sirius died, and i miss him, we're all entitled to our opinions, so i'm not gonna be a silly fangirl and scream my head off at you for that comment...because the people who do, are dumb, so yeah..i was glad it wasn't remus either..but, yeah...
7. yeah, i really try to avoid mary sues..
10. i've heard JKR say she really doesn't care about fanfiction. she said she'd never really read it (and i know some people sigh of relief at that), so long as she doesn't really mind.. i think she even said it was kind of flattering, because we love her stories and characters so much, that it pains us to wait until the next books, so we make our own stories...

happy birthday!

Date: 2003-11-21 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
Well, I did say it was my unpopular opinions.

yeah, it's usually the writers who have the most amazing plot lines who write the mechanical sex

Oh, that's not at all what I meant. There are countless excellent plot writers who write wonderful sex - [livejournal.com profile] resonant8, [livejournal.com profile] coldcoffeeyes, [livejournal.com profile] cybele_san, [livejournal.com profile] somniesperus, [livejournal.com profile] epicyclical, just for starters. There are just certain excellent writers who can't seem to manage porn, for no reason that I can see.
I didn't say great plot writer = can't write porn.
I meant great writer doesn't = great porn.

I can't figure out why.

so i'm not gonna be a silly fangirl and scream my head off at you for that comment.

Well, there a difference between an opinion 'I don't like Sirius' and something anyone can argue with 'Sirius was not relevant or something or other.'

i've heard JKR say she really doesn't care about fanfiction.

I have written over 30 stories and am not stopping anytime soon. But there is a moral issue beyond the copyright law and her own feeling about fanfiction. There are benefits to writing fanfiction, but I know I've felt pretty darn uncomfortable when people have fanfic-d some of my stories without checking with me. It's very strange to be on the receiving end, watching - "hey -!" - your characters doing things you didn't intend.

Icarus

Date: 2003-11-21 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] harveywallbang.livejournal.com
well, i too didn't mean that good plot equals nad porn and bad plot equals good porn...but yeah... i know, but some people would see the "i don't like sirius" comment and go all stupid and argue, even though it's your own opinion and what not..yeah..

Date: 2003-11-20 11:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fraught.livejournal.com
I agree with #2, but not only do I deduct IQ points, I also mentally think them about eight years old.

Re #4, I don't care that people don't like Sirius because God knows I hate plenty of popular HP characters (Lucius, Snape, Ginny), but I really disliked the way some fans absolutely *reveled* in the fact that those of us who did like Sirius were absolutely heartbroken over it :/.

Date: 2003-11-20 11:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
Hmm. This is actually the first time I've ever mentioned it myself.

For my part I was just grateful it wasn't (list character here). And I felt vindicated, because I had logicked out before OotP came out that the person I would have removed - for the sake of isolating Harry further, and making him more likely to take on Voldemort - was Sirius. As a writer.

I felt a weatherman who predicted hurricane Lucinda.

Icarus

Date: 2003-11-21 12:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fraught.livejournal.com
If I would have to kill off one character in OotP, I would also have chosen for either Hagrid (first person ever who is friendly to Harry) or Sirius (father figure).

I was upset and shocked by Sirius' death nonetheless, even though I knew it would be him before I bought the book (I couldn't resist the spoilers floating around ^_^). But there were some people who made it worse by cheering, screaming in happiness and generally rubbing our noses in it. I wonder how they would have felt if it had been THEIR favorite character who bit the dust.

Like I said, if you don't like Sirius, fine. Whatever. But there's no need to be an ass over his death.

(And this isn't aimed at anyone in specific. I'm just venting a bit ^_^.)

Date: 2003-11-21 12:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
I'm just venting a bit ^_^

Ah. Feel free, I've done it myself.

Yeah, that's a good reason to avoid the fandom watering holes and just write porn fiction. ;)

My heart was in my throat, for fear that it was Ron.

Icarus

Date: 2003-11-25 07:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fraught.livejournal.com
late, sorry!

My heart was in my throat, for fear that it was Ron.

Evil JKR, for first letting us think it was Ron, then Arthur, then Hermione...!

I'm not sure if I believe Sirius is truly dead. There is no body, after all. *clings to tiny shred of hope*

Date: 2003-11-21 06:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celestialseason.livejournal.com
5. I think certain character death fics are brilliant. That said: I hate them all. I will read bestiality before I read deathfics.

6. Paradoxically, I believe that Harry will die in book seven.


I totally agree, and must add that if Harry does die at the end I will never forgive JKR and will never pick up an HP book again. I want Harry to survive and have a good life after everything he's been through. I almost dread the 7th book for this reason. I really hope JKR believes in happy endings because I need one for this series.

Date: 2003-11-21 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
Yeah, but I see her in interviews, and she looks... guilty. Like she knows what she's going to do to all those fans and is already cringing. The Sirius set-up is preparing us, I think.

Shit. I may not read book seven.

Ha! Who am I kidding?

Icarus

Date: 2003-11-21 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celestialseason.livejournal.com
Shit. I may not read book seven.

Ha! Who am I kidding?


I hear you. I will have to read it for closure, and I really won't want to hear any spoilers. Right before book 7 comes out I will re-read the 1st 6 because I'm serious about never reading them again if Harry dies. I'm nauseous just thinking about it :-(

The Sirius set-up is preparing us, I think.

Could be, though I think it was also to prepare us for a lot more deaths than just Harry's - in a way I'm dreading the last 2 books, which is why I want a happy ending, I hate reading angst without a happy ending ([Bad username or site: ~cybele_san @ livejournal.com]'s If You Are Prepared series just about killed me, I was so upset with the ending even though I felt that was the only way it could end). OK enough of this depressing talk, I'm off to see what's new at [livejournal.com profile] hp_dungeons



Date: 2003-11-21 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celestialseason.livejournal.com
that was supposed to be [livejournal.com profile] cybele_sans LJ tag - no idea what happened

Date: 2003-11-21 06:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
It's alright. I recognised the series. Of course I did.

*Mmmph... the image of Snape waiting in front of the fireplace. Oh, God, I couldn't go through that again.*

Icarus

Date: 2003-11-21 06:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celestialseason.livejournal.com
Exactly!I was sobbing the whole time.

Date: 2003-11-21 06:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
I'm serious about never reading them again if Harry dies. I'm nauseous just thinking about it :-(

I'm already whimpering. But at least there's book six. We have a least one more book before... O_O

Could be, though I think it was also to prepare us for a lot more deaths than just Harry's.

True. But there was a slightly mystical spin on it, an implication that death isn't the ending that made me first seriously suspect that Harry might die.

I'm off to see what's new at [livejournal.com profile] hp_dungeons

Oh. Read Harry's journal if you haven't already. Sigh. [livejournal.com profile] hp_femme really outdid herself this time.

And then Percy got a brutal cut in to Hermione. If you can't find it, I'll give you a link.

Icarus







Date: 2003-11-21 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] celestialseason.livejournal.com
You mean the comment containing this?
Personally, I don't think he should have cheated on you. I think he should have left you. Long ago.
Go Percy!

I just spent quite some time going over Ron and Harry's old posts because I missed a bunch(thanks [livejournal.com profile] dungeon_watch.
I don't know how you guys keep up, it's really hard with so much going on.


Date: 2003-11-21 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
I don't know about anyone else, but I haven't been able to, personally. ;)

Icarus

Date: 2003-11-21 10:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tjstein.livejournal.com
I agree with just about everything you've said except for #5. I've read a couple of deathfics that I really enjoyed. Perhaps I'm a bit morbid, but I get a bit tired of reading Disney-esque fanfics and deathfics balance that out for me. Not to say that any of your fics are of the Disney persuasion. Far from it. You're like the Tim Burton/Edgar Allan Poe/Oscar Wilde of HP fanfic. (and I mean that in the nicest possible way, of course)

Date: 2003-11-21 12:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] hedwig_the_owl's 'Giving Notice' is brilliant. I just haven't the heart for the angst, can't bear it.

Tim Burton?! Poe??! Oscar Wilde!! You could not have imagined higher praise. These are all my favourites. I grew up reading Poe and Hawthorne, and I approach all Tim Burton's film with a mixture of awe and delight. I love the ironic twisted humour they see in the dark.

Thank you doesn't quite cover it.

Icarus

Date: 2003-11-22 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tjstein.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] hedwig_the_owl's 'Giving Notice' is brilliant. I just haven't the heart for the angst, can't bear it.

Oh, you just had to rec that, didn't you? Well, you're right...it's brilliant. Devastating and brilliant. But it's a WIP and she hasn't updated since June. Oh cruel fate. I have to go review her story now...she's really nailed the whole reaction after a suicide. I've had some experience with that and makes me wonder if she has as well.

Thanks for the rec.

Date: 2003-11-21 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] salixbabylon.livejournal.com
I am so with you on #10. I do actually feel badly about it, but not exactly enough to stop.

And it IS partially because it's unfinished that it seems unfair - who knows where she's going to go with some of this, and who are we to dare to presume?

That said -- how would I feel, if they were my stories and others were slashing them? Damn honored, that's how. And perhaps a bit miffed that I either hadn't thought of slashing them myself or that I couldn't because of cultural issues/publishers/marketing/etc.

But I confess that I like feeling guilty about it. It's fun being a deviant.

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