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I tried to read the the [livejournal.com profile] msscribe report, but somewhere around page two my head exploded.

The report's excellent, written in a journalistic style, carefully researched with disclaimers about unclear or missing information and almost completely without the usual "Rita Skeeter" glee you find in wankery and those who love it. charlottelennox has done a good job. The tone, at least as far as I've read, makes this much easier to stomach, despite the level of lurid detail.

That said, I couldn't stomach it. Lies, blatant manipulation, sock-puppetry of the worst kind where someone invents their own fans and their own pseudo-Christian troll. I fell for this, too, back when "The Black List" was published by [livejournal.com profile] fandom_scruples on LJ in 2004. What it says about slashers' biases (and fears?) towards Christians (the real Christians apparently told the troll to turn the other cheek and whatnot) is a little disturbing.

It only occurs to me ... and please forgive my deep and abiding cynicism that arises from having exposed one LJ financial scam, dealt with a harrassing flurry of sockpuppets attacking [livejournal.com profile] wildernessguru for criticizing certain pack designs -- (from a designer we know; the guy finally screwed up and dropped info he could only know in person via his sockpuppets, oopsie) -- and one rather persistant troll who hates my Buddhist stuff ... wouldn't it be something if this were all a final grab for attention by [livejournal.com profile] msscribe?

I doubt it, but this oldtimer leans on the sidelines and waits for the other shoe to drop. *Icarus chews a toothpick, narrow-eyed*



ETA: Chatting with [livejournal.com profile] sharp_tongue and [livejournal.com profile] orca_girl, apparently in chapter ten charlottelennox explains how she got involved in writing this account. I haven't been able to read that far. [livejournal.com profile] orca_girl points out it's the nature of this type of account for people to doubt it.

Yeah. I've run into that. People immediately want to distance themselves and show that "I'm an oldtimer" *cough* so "I'd never be fooled, nuh-uh, not me!" It's also a sign that the account is successful in making people alert -- too alert at first.

Date: 2006-06-21 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sharp-tongue.livejournal.com
The scope of it is rather unbelievable, isn't it. I started out rolling my eyes at the people in the story and as it went on, my heart just sank. I hate believing that there are people out there like that.

That said, the report's style and presentation impresses the hell out of me.

Date: 2006-06-21 01:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
It's staggering. And it's matching up with what few facts I know.

There are people out there like that, but luckily most of them have personal habits that lead them to experiencing the joys of prison. Or indicted by the SEC.

I do wonder why the effort to chronicle this so thoroughly. And another part of me wants to see something like it, but with an entirely different angle, anthologizing stories and their interconnectedness. I would enjoy that more.

Icarus

Date: 2006-06-21 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sharp-tongue.livejournal.com
Charlotte Lennox talked about how It All Happened, ie how the chronicle came into being at the end of chapter 10, if you've gotten that far. It seems to have started as a curiosity and snowballed from there.

I'd love to see CL take another (more light-hearted) topic and research that. I'm feeling pretty hollow and exhausted after just reading this one. I can't even imagine how those who were involved must feel.

Date: 2006-06-21 02:25 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
Ah, I haven't gotten that far. Two pages in and I just ... keeled over. But Femme's convinced me to at least try. It's probably best to know what can be done so we can be alert for it.

I'm feeling pretty hollow and exhausted after just reading this one. I can't even imagine how those who were involved must feel.

I can, actually. Which is why it needed to be told.

It would be really cool to see another topic handled with this kind of thoroughness and dedication. I keep making noises about a fandom anthology, hoping someone will do it. I'll bet CL is pretty tired at the moment.

Icarus

Date: 2006-06-21 04:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sharp-tongue.livejournal.com
You definitely need to keep reading. It doesn't get really mind bending until, oh, chapter five or so.

Date: 2006-06-21 04:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
It doesn't get really mind bending until, oh, chapter five or so.

You're kidding.

Icarus

Date: 2006-06-21 04:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sharp-tongue.livejournal.com
Not even a little. Just when you think you've seen the depths of crazy, you start another section and then realize what true crazy is.

You have no idea, which is why I've been encouraging people to read all of it.

Date: 2006-06-21 02:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] shezan.livejournal.com
I would give CL a job in the blink of an eye, if I still were an editor.

Date: 2006-06-21 03:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sharp-tongue.livejournal.com
I would, too, if I had an editor's job. :> She impressed the hell out of me.

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