Joe Flanigan's astrology chart.
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icarusBored last night, but unwilling to go to bed or do actual work, I started doing Joe Flanigan's astrology chart.
Okay, yes, he has all that heavy-handed Capricorn-ness. Yes, he has that managerial ability and fine intellect. Yes, he has a very serious sense of right and wrong (with ultra high standards for all, plus a few unconscious yet convenient loopholes for himself) -- but other than that, this is the most... feminine... chart I've ever read.
Are we sure he's straight?
I mean, check out that Mars in Libra, that "let's all get along," cooperative, "let's be fair," careful not to step on any toes, restrained actor. And over there, that vain, insufferably cute-tastic Jupiter - Venus opposition (complete with sweet tooth, aww, give the little boy a cookie). The playful, spontaneous and oh-so-available Venus trine Uranus. And that "hell hath no fury" possessive moody moon in Scorpio. The ineffable and vague Saturn in Pices, brooding on past wrongs. The melodramatic Ingrid Bergman-like "aloneness" and personal distance and mystique of Venus in Capricorn.
So much "look at me" and "pay attention to me," using attraction, and oh, so much love of creature comforts, of tasteful surroundings --
-- I swear, I read this and I'm expecting a Hollywood starlet from the 1940s, dripping with diamonds.
Instead we have... Joe. With his shirt untucked.
Huh?
Tres amusement.
ETA: The great thing about astrology? Voyeurism.
This chart suggests that he has such jealousy and fear of being cheated on that he'd happily put one of those electric dog collars on whomever he's with. On the other hand, it also shows that--if I'm reading this right--he pushes it to the edge with his flirting. And sometimes tips over that edge.
Okay, yes, he has all that heavy-handed Capricorn-ness. Yes, he has that managerial ability and fine intellect. Yes, he has a very serious sense of right and wrong (with ultra high standards for all, plus a few unconscious yet convenient loopholes for himself) -- but other than that, this is the most... feminine... chart I've ever read.
Are we sure he's straight?
I mean, check out that Mars in Libra, that "let's all get along," cooperative, "let's be fair," careful not to step on any toes, restrained actor. And over there, that vain, insufferably cute-tastic Jupiter - Venus opposition (complete with sweet tooth, aww, give the little boy a cookie). The playful, spontaneous and oh-so-available Venus trine Uranus. And that "hell hath no fury" possessive moody moon in Scorpio. The ineffable and vague Saturn in Pices, brooding on past wrongs. The melodramatic Ingrid Bergman-like "aloneness" and personal distance and mystique of Venus in Capricorn.
So much "look at me" and "pay attention to me," using attraction, and oh, so much love of creature comforts, of tasteful surroundings --
-- I swear, I read this and I'm expecting a Hollywood starlet from the 1940s, dripping with diamonds.
Instead we have... Joe. With his shirt untucked.
Huh?
Tres amusement.
ETA: The great thing about astrology? Voyeurism.
This chart suggests that he has such jealousy and fear of being cheated on that he'd happily put one of those electric dog collars on whomever he's with. On the other hand, it also shows that--if I'm reading this right--he pushes it to the edge with his flirting. And sometimes tips over that edge.
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Date: 2008-03-07 06:42 am (UTC)And the underpants. Don't forget his cute lil'underpants ^_^
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Date: 2008-03-07 06:50 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2008-03-07 07:36 am (UTC)Ha. I remember doing his chart awhile back and was surprised he had a moon in Scorpio. I'm no expert in chart reading or anything like that, but I always find it pretty fun to try and interpret this kind of stuff. He's ridiculously earthy, eh? And stubborn as hell from what I can tell. Libra definitely lightens him up, making him more flamboyant and easy going. Leo helps with the confidence and enjoyment of being center stage...
He seems like such a thoughtful, grounded little guy. Very intellectual. It makes me wonder though, what part of his chart (libra?) makes him seem so 'lalala' about things sometimes. There's always footage of him wandering about and being lost in his own head.
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Date: 2008-03-07 08:18 am (UTC)And stubborn as hell from what I can tell.
Yeah. And vindictive, too, if you hurt him. Hypersensitive and perceptive as all get out with both neptune and the moon in Scorpio, so that it's really easy to hurt him. There's an indication that he also imagines slights.
Check out that "my way or the highway" dogmatic opposition between saturn and uranus. Mutable signs, so maybe ... an end run around the boss to get his way rather than a head on collision?
Libra definitely lightens him up, making him more flamboyant and easy going.
It's Mars in Libra, so that's a very... feminine Mars. There's a lot of weighing and balancing and getting everyone's opinion (which fits with the Capricorn tendency to do one's homework and plan, plan, plan). He also second guesses himself. And makes decisions by committee. Is very aware of "doing the right thing" and the social niceties.
Leo helps with the confidence and enjoyment of being center stage...
Absolutely. Jupiter in Leo is wonderfully noble and dignified and generous, if a little egotistical. There's an opposition between Jupiter and Venus that can mean vanity, saccarine sweetness (to the point of being boring), and trouble with fidelity. Other indicators in his chart (all that capricorn, the venus-saturn connection) show total loyalty and fidelity. While another indicator (venus-uranus trine) shows that he's... playful. Spontaneous. And has no lack of sex appeal. So there's a lot of sexual opportunities that come his way, so much so that -- as seriously as he takes marriage and his responsibilities -- he regrets that he's not available. I'm reading this as an area of conflict for him. It's a struggle between two very different sides of his personality.
He seems like such a thoughtful, grounded little guy. Very intellectual.
Very serious and perhaps lonely.
It makes me wonder though, what part of his chart (libra?) makes him seem so 'lalala' about things sometimes. There's always footage of him wandering about and being lost in his own head.
Lost in his head? That would be the mercury-sun conjunction, for starters. His self is defined by his thoughts -- he's all mind. Then check out the ruler of all that Capricorn -- saturn -- sitting in, of all places, the neptune-ruled Pices.
Then there's even more neptune influence... that neptune-saturn trine (with saturn ruling all that capricorn, eh?)... then the sextile from neptune to uranus/pluto, which I wouldn't emphasize except that neptune's aspects are softening the effect of the hard-ass saturn-uranus/pluto opposition. Neptune plays an important role. He runs a lot on his gut-feeling about things, intuitions. (Which is so traditionally feminine.)
Since I don't have his birth time the moon placement is going to vary. How much you wanna bet that his moon conjunct neptune, too?
With that heavy influence of saturn + neptune, religion and spirituality come up a surprising amount in his chart. The Capricorn indicates that he'd be conservative, the opposition to jupiter indicates a problem in the area of religious/spiritual beliefs, and neptune is usually ... out there. I don't have a handle on this part of his chart, at least not yet.
I wish I had his birth time.
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Date: 2008-03-07 07:57 am (UTC)Can we ever be? *g* He intrigues me on a deeper level, but of course, I don't know all that much about him.
On the other hand, it also shows that--if I'm reading this right--he pushes it to the edge with his flirting. And sometimes tips over that edge.
That is an utterly delightful thought.
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Date: 2008-03-07 08:32 am (UTC)No way in hell he wears the pants in the house.
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Date: 2008-03-07 08:48 am (UTC)I have no trouble believing that. Part of his intense appeal is that he does not at all come across as a macho or chauvinist; there's just something about him....
Taken straight from the books.
Date: 2008-03-07 10:00 am (UTC)You should see what Sakoian's reference has to say. This is a sensitive guy.
Saturn in Pisces (extremlely important because this planet dominates)
Tends to become trapped in his memories of the past. An overactive, fearful imagination generates all types of anxieties and neuroses. Consequesntly, it is difficult for him to deal effectively with the demands of the present. In extreme cases the imagination creates personal slights and problems that do not exist. On the plus side, this gives him emotional understanding, humility, and the willingness to work hard on behalf of those less fortunate. If the rest of the chart indicates mental clarity (and it does) he has psychological insight into others. He is capable of deep meditation which steadies him and makes possible profound spiritual understanding.
He's capable of paranoiz, excessive worry, fretfulness, and regret over past mistakes and misfortunes. (He could go over the deep end with this.) In some cases the neurotic problems are manifested in physical illness.
He needs a certain amount of quiet and solitude to tap his inner resources. He should also spend some time participating in the affairs of the world to avoid moroseness and excessive introversion. He has to make an effort to avoid self-pity. Vain regretting of the past can become a cancerous growth on the soul, destroying happiness, creativity, and usefulness to self and others. This demands objective, critical self-analysis so that he can discover his personal worth and abilities--as well as defects--and find a way out of his difficulties. He has to learn to let go of the past and take constructive action in the present. He's likely to do things behind the scenes, especially in hospitals, etc.
Fortunately, linked up to that is:
He has the ability to carry on organizational plans behind the scenes. He's a strategist and good at ferreting out secrets and solving mysteries. Few clues, no matter how subtle, will escape his notice. There can be involvement in secret societies of a mystical or religious nature. He is able to make practical use of intuitive (practically clairvoyant) insight. His ability to visualize is photographic which contributes to this insight, and thus this favors -- I'm not makeing this up -- those who work in the movie industry.
Because of his steady concentration -- this is right out of the books, really -- he's good at meditation and using intuition. He's also skilled at analyzing subtle factors in the stock market. He has a sixth sense for that. He understands cause and effect.
Added to is this:
He has a keen artistic imagination, often expressed through airt and music of an uplifting nature. His emotions and sympathies (again) have a religious trend, giving him compassion and understanding. A sense of the sublime is evident; it manifests itself in a craving for ethereal beauty. There is gentleness in social expression, conveying grace. He will likely form alliances, friendships, or marry someone with a mystical character. He seeks an ideal love relationship. He can be a tad indolent at times.
And then this:
An artistic with exceptional skill.
He is loyal to his friends and loved ones and serious and constant in the expression of his emotions. He is likely to have an enduring marriage. He has a capacity to sacrifice personal happiness for the sake of duty or the happiness of others. Grace, refinement, and good breeding are evident. He tends to be polite if rather formal in social conduct.
He has the ability to make money through his profession and is skillful in business. He's frugal and makes sure he gets his money's worth.
Re: Taken straight from the books.
Date: 2008-03-07 10:11 am (UTC)There is gentleness in social expression, conveying grace. He will likely form alliances, friendships, or marry someone with a mystical character. He seeks an ideal love relationship. He can be a tad indolent at times.
Yes--the gentleness, the sweetness, and of course his wife is an artist.
That frugal bit would explain the shirts. (Srsly, Joe. Srsly.)
Re: Taken straight from the books.
Date: 2008-03-07 10:51 am (UTC)His frugality shows up in all that capricorn, too.
Nothing, however, explains the shirts. ;)
A little more from the books.
Date: 2008-03-07 10:23 am (UTC)Here's a little more:
An effervescent, fun-loving nature that's full of surprises and (balancing some of the worry and seriousness in his chart) tends to see the bright side of life. He has a spontaneous quality which is... here we go again... especially favorable for the performing arts. He has many exciting romances and marriages, unusual friends, and much popularity. There also can be sudden good fortune in financial matters.
In any artistic endeavor he will have a distinctive style. His endeavors (and now we see why Sakoian is one of the greats) will often be associated with electronic media, such as radio, television, recording.
His good fortune is brought on by his upbeat outlook on life which attracts people of importance and money. He radiates the happiness others seek. He possesses a lot of sex appeal and has no difficulty attracting romance. There is a tendency towards deep spirituality.
This is all very good because it helps him with this next tendency:
He's inconsistant and dictatorial, and rarely practices what he preaches. His philosophy is idealistic but his actions can be oppressive. He desires freedom for himself but is unwilling to grant it to others. This kills off friendships. As the boss, his subordinates will rebel. As the employee, he's prey to the whims of his superiors. He has little stability and security in his life because circumstances over which has has no control unexpectely deprives him of whatever he depends upon for security. (Hmm. Unsurprising in an actor's chart.)
He lacks humility (this is balanced out with the humility from his hyper-awareness of his mistakes), being unwilling to admit to the unreasonableness and inconsistancy of his attitudes and actions. Despite an ability to work hard (and his work ethic appears all over) common sense and good planning are often absent (this is balanced by the capricorn in his chart; I think he just takes risks). Irritable moods mark their temperments.
So where else do we see this dominating tendency? Read on.
The moon in scorpio indicates biased, strong emotions based on willful desire. He takes personal affairs very weriously, which can lead to possessiveness and extreme jealousy. When it is carried to extremes he can hold grudges (remember the hanging on to the past and imagined slights?) and plan to take revenge at opportune times. He does not forget personal affronts. The inclination towards brooding (here we go with the brooding again) and revenge is a serious character defect and he should avoid it at all costs. It's possible he'll want to restructure his family and domestic situation. He may also want to dominate others through subtle means. He can also be very stubborn due to his attachment to his own personal desires. However, if he keeps his motivation clean, he also finds no sacrifice is too great to achieve a worthwhile objective. (And here's the self-sacrifice turning up again.)
More?
Re: A little more from the books.
Date: 2008-03-07 10:56 am (UTC)Re: A little more from the books.
Date: 2008-03-07 11:08 am (UTC)The rule of thumb: if a trait shows up once, it's a possible. If it shows up twice, it's likely. If it shows up three times or more, it's a definite.
What's turned up a lot?
The religious stuff is everywhere; the artistic talent; intuition; television has been mentioned more than once; his skill plus unpredictable luck with the stock market; the "doesn't practice what he preaches" hypocrisy; conceit has turned up a couple times; oversensitivity; brooding; and his gentle, graceful manner have all been mentioned several times.
*weed whacks* I can do a real reading, but I'm feeling lazy tonight.
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Date: 2008-03-07 11:50 am (UTC)Well, there'll always be something that fits and a lot that doesn't. & ;-) I don't actually believe in astrology, but I do love all sorts of psycho-analysis (see also my fondness of the Myers-Briggs typology). And if the horseshoe fits?
All of that strikes me as spot-on. Of course, we are most likely to focus on the traits we perceive to be important and defining, much as we do with characters--certainly there are, shall we say, differing takes on John Sheppard out there; I just don't buy all of them. *g*
(And Laziness I get.)
Re: A little more from the books.
Date: 2008-03-07 05:28 pm (UTC)Your reasons are based on ignorance of how astrology is done.
Picking and choosing? No. You're not allowed to do that. You're only allowed to describe what's there. Like a traffic report. There are rules of what you emphasize and what you don't. Granted I didn't weight one factor against another when playing around here, but I did pick traits according to their importance.
For example, the intuition, spiritual stuff, and tendency to regret the past and brood -- there are seven factors that point to that being important (1) saturn dominance, 2) saturn in pisces, 3) an opposition, 4) a trine, and 5) a sextile to saturn, 6) saturn rulership of the sun/mercury/venus in capricorn with an aspect to venus, and the 7) neptune rulership of pisces over saturn being echoed in the aspect from saturn to neptune in scorpio -- which has an 8th house connotation concerning death, the occult/alchemy, and secrets, while pisces has a 12th house connotation, meaning the past, the unconscious, and mysticism, while saturn is related to discipline and restriction, so yes, he's either highly intuitive and spiritual or crazy).
I may want to make his tendency to be brash, argumentative, and tactless more important (I didn't get to that last night but he tends to get pissed off when things are "unfair!") but there are only three factors that point to it (Two squares to the 1) sun and 2) mercury, plus the 3) venus rulership of Libra). However, I would note that it repeats something I've seen in more other areas -- namely, his holding grudges.
The stuff about television... that's there because of the importance of venus (art) and uranus (electronics). There's lots of stuff that ping-ping-ping keeps underlining those two.
So that's how weighting works. But you have to accept the concept that the ego is the center of the universe. Which is far too Freudian for me.
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Date: 2008-03-07 06:02 pm (UTC)Indidviduals do love to be placed at the centre of the universe, of course, so the appeal of astrology makes sense that way. & ;-)
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Date: 2008-03-07 09:07 pm (UTC)Oh, yeah. *eyeroll* Tell someone at a party that you know some astrology and they immediately want you to do their chart.
I sympathize with doctors who always get asked, "Oh, I have this little pain in my upper sacrum...." Folks never seem to get that "You know, the going rate for a consultation is fifty bucks an hour" and that's cheap considering how much research it takes to do it right.
For me the thrill is in the voyeurism. It has the fun of being a little window without the ethical problems of standing in the bushes with a camera. And, hey, I could easily get something wrong -- but what does it matter?
Non sequitor: Wow. Someone next to me just farted and ooh... I think she needs to cut out the rich foods.
Re: A little more from the books.
Date: 2008-03-07 09:10 pm (UTC)Tell someone you're a lawyer, and they immediately tell you their problem and expect you to solve it: There's also a reason that ain't for free. *g*
I like that angle--we're looking at public records, surface level only, and then look at what this information implies about a person.
re: your NS: & :-/
Re: A little more from the books.
Date: 2008-03-08 07:44 pm (UTC)I like that angle--we're looking at public records, surface level only, and then look at what this information implies about a person.
Exactly. And there's no possible harm in this form of voyeurism at all. Because unlike public records, a source people will trust, if you say, "Oh, I got this information from his astrology chart" -- who's going to bank on that? Yet it digs into the heart-level psychological profile, the depth of information that I like to know about people. I'm a writer for a reason.
Re: A little more from the books.
Date: 2008-03-07 05:39 pm (UTC)And I should add that I don't have his birth time so can't truly calculate his chart as if he were the center of the known universe, so what I have is way too sketchy to do a fine job.
Yes, I know this is too much, but it's also too much fun.
Date: 2008-03-07 10:49 am (UTC)Time for another negative trait. *g* This one is problematic because there's nothing to ameliorate it, while his dictatorial side has his idealism and good intentions to help.
Onward:
He is sickeningly sweet, boring others. If he comes from a well-to-do background, or has money now, he can be spoiled and overly involved in meaningless social activity. Laziness (remember the indolence, depending too much on others?), self-indulgence, and love of luxury may be in evidence (that love of luxury turns up elsewhere). He may be conceited, thinking he's more desireable than he is. He might have the attitude, especially if born to wealth, that everything should be done for him. (With that Capricorn I'd say that he's less likely to be like this.)
He can be maudlin and given to flowery religious sentiments. Often hypocrisy shows itself when something practical has to be done to help those in need. (Uh-oh, there's that "all talk, doesnn't practice what he preaches" tendency again). He may take too much for granted concerning others, mostly in regard to things done for him (crappy tipper?). Marriage problems center around matters of religion.
He likes to be the center of attention and he's far from reticent. Somehow he gains the attention he wants.
There can be overindulgence in eating, especially sweets (hee!). Money can be spent wastefully on luxuries. (Well, we know he's frugal. Lives the high life but makes sure he gets a good deal?)
A little be more about this trait:
He's expansive, optimistic (balancing out his neurosis), self-confident. He has an abundance of energy and a strong constitution (okay, neurosis will play out psychologically, not physically). He's generous and benevolent -- but -- expects personal admiration and appreciation in return. (Aha. Now we gets some of they flavor of that spiritual dissonance.) He likes to do things in a lavish, ceremonious scale, which explains his love of religious pageantry (I swear to god, religion is all over his chart) and -- drama. Parades and religious rituals appeal to his sense of grandeur. He's also attracted to religious art, sculpture, and music, as well as art history. He's fond of lavish parties and social occasions.
He has leadership ability, dignity, but his abilities fan the fires of conceit, producing vainglory and arrogance. (Ah, yes, again.) He's going to have to learn what's really great, you know, inner qualities. (Other parts of the chart says he knows this, or at least has learned it as he grows older.) If he figures it out, he'll be reliable, honest, generous, and steadfast -- and then he'll be admired and loved, radiating warmth and genuine affection. He loves kids and is a great teacher, interested in their moral development.
He should watch it in the stock market. Unwise gambling can cause ruin and public disgrace (that's what it says). He'll likely make money in... entertainment industries, artistic endeavors, sports, and education.
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Date: 2008-03-07 02:15 pm (UTC)This is all quite fascinating.
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