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I have two favors to ask of you.

First: Vote.

Second: Post about the Livejournal representative election. Urge your friendslist to vote and then post about the vote.

If massive numbers of fandomers surge to vote, then we will have our pick of fandom candidates. Instead of being a race between an anti-fandom candidate, [livejournal.com profile] jameth and fandom candidate [livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy, we can have a race between [livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy and [livejournal.com profile] rm.

I know we can easily reach 14,000 fandomers. I've added up the f-lists of those who've posted about the vote already. And you don't have to wait. Because you can change your mind between now and Thursday.

The three top fandom candidates:

[livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy
[livejournal.com profile] rm
[livejournal.com profile] vichan

As of this moment, the numbers are:

[livejournal.com profile] jameth - 2508 (17.8%)
[livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy - 3785 (26.9%)
[livejournal.com profile] rm - 1522 (10.8%)
[livejournal.com profile] vichan - 707 (5.0%)

I've nothing against this guy personally, but I don't like his paranoid campaign and troll history.
[livejournal.com profile] jameth attacked fandom once he fell behind, accusing us of sockpuppeting with up to 200 puppets per fandomer (seriously?) all based on an "anonymous tip." (Other moments that smack of conspiracy theories include fears that LJ is locking in votes and [livejournal.com profile] jameth blaming [livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy for a supporter being kicked off IRC chat by burr86. Let's not forget the backhanded pre-emptive swipes at all the candidates, with the caption "I don't think _my_ platform is going to change. Not sure about anyone else's, though." Not someone I would want to work with. For more paranoia: He now fears Legomymalfoy's ahead because the LJ support team doesn't like him.)

Longstanding fandomers like [livejournal.com profile] telesilla (whom you might remember from her reporting of strikethrough and FanLib) and [livejournal.com profile] caras_galadhon and others, remind us [livejournal.com profile] jameth is a known troll, while [livejournal.com profile] bethbethbeth points out the strongly anti-fandom attitude of his supporters, which he's made no effort to contradict.

But hey, let's plague an epileptic's journal with flashing icons!
So I guess it should come as no surprise that his supporters are deliberately posting flashing icons in the comments of an epileptic's journal. At least one other epileptic has been affected, so turn off graphics if you click to [livejournal.com profile] rydra_wong's journal. The [livejournal.com profile] bigdecision08 community which is run by three [livejournal.com profile] jameth supporters has posted about this, unfortunately directing [livejournal.com profile] jameth's supporters to her journal. I've asked [livejournal.com profile] jameth what, since he's seeking a leadership role and has been comfortable telling people to vote for him in all three categories, does he have to say about this? So far, although he's fine with directing people to vote for him and then null out in all categories, not a peep. To [livejournal.com profile] rydra_wong it's not his problem. Nice guy. ETA: I asked him about it and he replied "what post?" This guy's totally full of shit. He'd already replied to [livejournal.com profile] rydra_wong's post several times. He's attempting to run on his RL credentials, but I've learned in comments here that someone who's worked with him IRL "does not have complimentary things to say about his skills with dealing with people."

I've collected endorsements of [livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy here.

I've collected endorsements of [livejournal.com profile] rm here.

We've got great candidates. The current second-place candidate is someone I don't want, I don't know about you. He is anti-fandom.

Date: 2008-05-27 01:55 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] node-ue.livejournal.com
Much like if you are broke and can only give your mother a hug and a promise of something more grand at a later date for mother's day, it's the thought that counts here.

Jameth made a point of posting in his journal that he was removing the icons, setting an example for his fans. Although he did not specifically request that people take it down that I know of (and I think he should do that, despite the fact that one of his better friends is a photosensitive epileptic and the icon is far too small to cause anybody any harm), I have seen a sharp decline in the number of people using that icon since he took it down himself.

Having said that, with or without the seizure icon, I'm sure you'd keep finding other problems with him. I doubt asking his supporters to remove the icons would gain him any votes, and as I have already noted, it is too small to cause any problems for photosensitive epileptics. So the two possible reasons I see to take it down: avoiding physical harm, and winning more support, are moot.

Date: 2008-05-27 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
I lost a friend of mine to epilepsy years ago. She was fine, Nancy hadn't had an attack in years, and then she was gone. We still don't know what triggered it. I had a roommate with epilepsy (still alive) who had a seizure triggered by driving down the highway at night. When an epileptic tells me something will trigger an attack, I take them seriously.

I know there's some political advantage to pointing at his icons and saying, "Oh, what a jerk," and I do oppose his campaign on the grounds that he attacked fandom (including me) when he started to lose. But I'm willing to toss politics aside to get rid of a real risk. I'm glad he got rid of the icons, but he has said no to posting about it.

Date: 2008-05-27 03:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] node-ue.livejournal.com
What epileptic told you it would trigger an attack? I've seen epileptics say it was insensitive, and other epileptics say it *wouldn't* trigger an attack (more specifically, photosensitive epileptics). It's not that I'm not willing to believe it - if you can link me to an epileptic saying it triggered an attack or almost triggered an attack, I am not one to withhold belief when a credible source tells me something that isn't far-fetched.

Also, as far as epilepsy is concerned, only photosensitive epileptics could possibly be effected by such an icon if it were, in fact, to have that effect. I am sure that if a credible source claimed it was physically damaging to them, James would tell everybody he knows to take it down in a heartbeat. Saying it is in bad taste is one thing, and anybody saying it is potentially harmful to *others* but not themselves could just be wrong, but if I see a single photosensitive epileptic who has been physically injured by this icon or is really worried that it could possibly trigger a seizure in anybody, I will personally urge James to take it down (not that I really talk to him much, but he's much more reasonable than you seem to think). James has gotten responses from friends who are in fact photosensitive epileptics to make sure the icon is not potentially harmful. He's not an evil person, and is not a jerk, even though many of the people on his flist are.

As far as attacking fandom goes, you already weren't going to vote for him. He made a post that has been characterized by many in the fandom community as stirring up drama, but I certainly don't see it that way - he received a tip, he posted about it, and it has since been shown to be true. Despite your claims that it is not widespread, or that people do it for James, too, his initial post has nonetheless been proven to be completely correct. James certainly doesn't hate fandom, though many people on his flist are hostile to fandom. Although I have never been much for writing fanfiction myself, I do enjoy it occasionally and count among my IRL friends some people who are cosplayers, furries, etc., even though I have people on my flist who have negative opinions of those sorts of things, so I think it's unfair to paint somebody with the opinions of some of the more obnoxious people on their flist. More importantly, even though you may be coming at it from different perspectives, James essentially wants the same things for LJ as fandom, and one of the main things in his platform is a strong stance against any form of censorship, something he has come out in force against on LJ in the past. I, for one, would not trust anybody from LJ Abuse or Support communities with anything related to first amendment rights, but I guess I'm one of the few who sees it that way rather than "James is an asshole; LMM is one of us!". For all the people ranting about this turning into a simple popularity contest, that seems to be exactly what it has become.

Date: 2008-05-28 12:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
Here (http://icarusancalion.livejournal.com/758270.html?thread=10995710#t10995710), and here (http://icarusancalion.livejournal.com/758270.html?thread=11019262#t11019262). Pre-seizure effects, migraines. [livejournal.com profile] rydra_wong herself has turned off images because of visual effects.

As for not fandom never voting for him: no, that's not true (http://seperis.livejournal.com/607774.html). (Check the size of her f-list.) The initial response to him was positive. Most people in fandom didn't even know there was a vote. I didn't hear of it until Friday, 6pm. Saturday, my flist was still going "Vote?" and "Isn't this a cardboard badge?" It was his accusations Friday (http://jameth.livejournal.com/4349665.html) that pissed people off. Should've let fandom sleep through this one.

Personally, I was for [livejournal.com profile] rm initially because of her involvement with OTW. [livejournal.com profile] synecdochic's support for [livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy and fandom's support convinced me she's the one who could win.

[livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy should start putting some effort into her own race. I can always switch back to [livejournal.com profile] rm. [livejournal.com profile] lavvyan is right: it is a cardboard badge.

Date: 2008-05-28 01:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] node-ue.livejournal.com
Well, the whole argument about the seizure icons is moot. James has asked people to stop trolling in his names and to stop using those icons.

I didn't say that nobody from the fandom community was planning on voting for James, I'm saying that you in particular had issues with him anyways, and a lot of the vitriol being circulated against him (including a "credible" death threat, according to LJ staff) is either totally false (he didn't start LJ Drama, Frienditto, ED; he does NOT hate gay people because he's gay himself) or stretching the truth (he did NOT go into epilepsy-related communities and make seizure-inducing posts). I personally think you're taking the whole post about cheating the wrong way, after all, what he said did turn out to be 100% true, no matter how you spin it. Regardless of "James' people are probably doing the same thing", "it's only a couple of isolated cases", etc., the fact remains that the premise of his post has been proven to be true.

And with that, I am done with this. The fact that a "credible" death threat has been made means to me that this election wank is no longer worth it. I am grateful for your civility towards me. Good luck campaigning against James getting a cardboard badge.

Date: 2008-05-28 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
Actually, I'd never heard of him before Saturday. On Friday I was just skimming through platforms to figure out who to vote for.

Let's go through the list:

- I'd never heard of LJ Drama (and still don't know what that is)
- Frienditto I remember vaguely from a year or so ago
- ED is something that I encountered for the first time yesterday
- Where on earth did anyone get the idea that he hates gay people?

I never said that he put flashing icons on an epileptic's journal. His supporters did. In retaliation. I went to his LJ and said he should post about it and tell people to knock it off, that this is more important than an election.

He told me, bottom line, no. I grew to dislike him after that. Then I went hunting through his campaign posts to see how he'd conducted this race and I grew less and less impressed.

Did he finally tell people to knock it off? When?

I personally think you're taking the whole post about cheating the wrong way

It's what pissed fandom off. He didn't say "there's voter fraud going on," he said [livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy's supporters were cheating--namely, me--and I certainly haven't. It's insulting.

[livejournal.com profile] cambler never provided any evidence. So I looked. I found screencaps of people committing voter fraud on behalf of Cambler and Jameth, and the same screencap of non-RPGers I saw before. What that proves is that LJ hasn't set up this election very well, big surprise. But he assumed fandom was voting en masse against him before fandom even knew the vote was going on.

[livejournal.com profile] jameth has pretty much done all of [livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy's campaigning for her.

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