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[personal profile] icarus
I have two favors to ask of you.

First: Vote.

Second: Post about the Livejournal representative election. Urge your friendslist to vote and then post about the vote.

If massive numbers of fandomers surge to vote, then we will have our pick of fandom candidates. Instead of being a race between an anti-fandom candidate, [livejournal.com profile] jameth and fandom candidate [livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy, we can have a race between [livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy and [livejournal.com profile] rm.

I know we can easily reach 14,000 fandomers. I've added up the f-lists of those who've posted about the vote already. And you don't have to wait. Because you can change your mind between now and Thursday.

The three top fandom candidates:

[livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy
[livejournal.com profile] rm
[livejournal.com profile] vichan

As of this moment, the numbers are:

[livejournal.com profile] jameth - 2508 (17.8%)
[livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy - 3785 (26.9%)
[livejournal.com profile] rm - 1522 (10.8%)
[livejournal.com profile] vichan - 707 (5.0%)

I've nothing against this guy personally, but I don't like his paranoid campaign and troll history.
[livejournal.com profile] jameth attacked fandom once he fell behind, accusing us of sockpuppeting with up to 200 puppets per fandomer (seriously?) all based on an "anonymous tip." (Other moments that smack of conspiracy theories include fears that LJ is locking in votes and [livejournal.com profile] jameth blaming [livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy for a supporter being kicked off IRC chat by burr86. Let's not forget the backhanded pre-emptive swipes at all the candidates, with the caption "I don't think _my_ platform is going to change. Not sure about anyone else's, though." Not someone I would want to work with. For more paranoia: He now fears Legomymalfoy's ahead because the LJ support team doesn't like him.)

Longstanding fandomers like [livejournal.com profile] telesilla (whom you might remember from her reporting of strikethrough and FanLib) and [livejournal.com profile] caras_galadhon and others, remind us [livejournal.com profile] jameth is a known troll, while [livejournal.com profile] bethbethbeth points out the strongly anti-fandom attitude of his supporters, which he's made no effort to contradict.

But hey, let's plague an epileptic's journal with flashing icons!
So I guess it should come as no surprise that his supporters are deliberately posting flashing icons in the comments of an epileptic's journal. At least one other epileptic has been affected, so turn off graphics if you click to [livejournal.com profile] rydra_wong's journal. The [livejournal.com profile] bigdecision08 community which is run by three [livejournal.com profile] jameth supporters has posted about this, unfortunately directing [livejournal.com profile] jameth's supporters to her journal. I've asked [livejournal.com profile] jameth what, since he's seeking a leadership role and has been comfortable telling people to vote for him in all three categories, does he have to say about this? So far, although he's fine with directing people to vote for him and then null out in all categories, not a peep. To [livejournal.com profile] rydra_wong it's not his problem. Nice guy. ETA: I asked him about it and he replied "what post?" This guy's totally full of shit. He'd already replied to [livejournal.com profile] rydra_wong's post several times. He's attempting to run on his RL credentials, but I've learned in comments here that someone who's worked with him IRL "does not have complimentary things to say about his skills with dealing with people."

I've collected endorsements of [livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy here.

I've collected endorsements of [livejournal.com profile] rm here.

We've got great candidates. The current second-place candidate is someone I don't want, I don't know about you. He is anti-fandom.

Date: 2008-05-25 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] channonyarrow.livejournal.com
[livejournal.com profile] mr_quackenbush has actually worked with [livejournal.com profile] jameth. Doesn't like him. Apparently he's an even bigger asshat in the meat world than he is online.

Because what we need is to continue to prove to the people who own the site we're trying to save is that we're all completely insane asshats who can't function appropriately in social and business situations! That'll get us, fandomers and non, listened to and heard.

Can I copypasta your statement about [livejournal.com profile] jameth? It might go a ways further on my flist than me saying "Yeah, I don't like the guy." I know he's got a rep, but dude, that's crap i didn't know about.

Date: 2008-05-25 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
Absolutely. Go for it.

I think [livejournal.com profile] carad_galadhon is right (http://caras-galadhon.livejournal.com/375321.html). You might want to include her comments. We do not want him sitting across the table from one of the leaders of the Creative Commons movement.

Date: 2008-05-25 08:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
Sorry about the typo: [livejournal.com profile] caras_galadhon that should be.

Date: 2008-05-30 12:03 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] green-knight.livejournal.com
Apparently he's an even bigger asshat in the meat world than he is online

Driveby comment from a total stranger (writer & fan):

From my very brief perusal of his LJ, that is difficult to believe. And... I've got a friend who's epileptic. Attempting to trigger seizures - and not speaking sharply to your friends and aquaintances about it - is so far from not funny that the only words I have for it are not ones I would post in a stranger's LJ.

Date: 2008-05-25 10:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bethbethbeth.livejournal.com
Just to say...while I absolutely don't want [livejournal.com profile] jameth to win (and will be posting an entry tonight adding to my reasons why I don't), I never actually called him a troll. Just for the record.

He could be one...but I've seen no evidence of actual trolling, and until I do, well, you know?

Date: 2008-05-25 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
Edited to read: "while <lj user="bethbethbeth" points out his strongly anti-fandom attitude."

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Date: 2008-05-25 11:34 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] kennahijja.livejournal.com
Dunno... I looked at the 'posters' in the election thread, and jumped to the conclusion that anybody who lets this go on in their name = troll. Before even seeing yours and the other posts along those lines ;).

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Date: 2008-05-26 02:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hildeaux.livejournal.com
Wow. Someone who is thinking logically! Thank you for your fealty.

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Date: 2008-05-26 04:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] groovinmahoovin.livejournal.com
The link attributed to you "being opposed to Jameth's anti-fandom attitude" doesn't even contain a quote from Jameth. It contains a quote from somebody else.

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Date: 2008-05-25 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarka.livejournal.com
Thanks for these posts... this would have gone completely over my head if it wasn't for them.

Date: 2008-05-26 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
You're welcome. :)

Date: 2008-05-26 01:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntie-maim.livejournal.com
SSSSSSSMEEEEEEAAAAARRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh, fandom. You never disappoint.

Date: 2008-05-26 01:53 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
Were you ever under the illusion that I was for [livejournal.com profile] jameth?

Why would you support him? I talked to him. He's a total B.S. artist.

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Date: 2008-05-26 04:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] recommendation.livejournal.com
thank you for mentioning BD08!

Date: 2008-05-26 07:09 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] mad_maudlin
Have voted. Want Jen minding the shop immensely. If she or another fandom candidate wins, might just re-up my paid account.

Date: 2008-05-26 07:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
So you know Jen? I've seen her around in fandom, and [livejournal.com profile] synecdochic's support meant a great deal in my book, but Jen and I have never really met.

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Date: 2008-05-26 10:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] perfica.livejournal.com
The more I see of this tool and his 'We're Only In It For The Lulz!' mob, the more I want him to go away.

If it's all just for show and fun, why do they care if he's losing?

Date: 2008-05-28 07:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
Whoever wins this will be working on the same board as Lawrence Lessig (http://community.livejournal.com/lj_2008/3384.html), so I'm wondering if he knows that and sees it as an opportunity. He's definitely working too hard to be a "just the lulz" candidate. He has a campaign team.

Date: 2008-05-27 02:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muggleangel.livejournal.com
Holy crap there's a lot of comments here!

Oh well, thanks for the post, I went and voted for all the fandom names. Maybe with fandomers on board we won't get any more Strikethoughgate and Boldgate.

Date: 2008-05-27 03:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bookshop.livejournal.com

Thanks for this post. Very very much appreciated.

Date: 2008-05-27 04:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
You're welcome.

He's a member of [livejournal.com profile] rape_an_ljer. Any idea what that's about?

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Date: 2008-05-27 05:52 pm (UTC)
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Wow this guy [livejournal.com profile] jameth sounds like a first class asshole.

Date: 2008-05-27 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
From my conversations with him, I can tell you that he can be quite charming. But when you look at his actions... pfft. He's all about the self-promotion. Last night he told me the asshats who are supporting him are "not my pals" and he tried to distance himself from them, even as he cultivates their support.

How about an anecdote? This is reported on Encyclopedia Dramatica, which I'm told he's one of the founders (and is pimping his campaign on every page). Jameth and a friend (http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Poop_drama) decide that they're bored and they're going to pull a prank on their f-list. The friend gives [livejournal.com profile] jameth his password, and then [livejournal.com profile] jameth posts (in his friend's LJ) that he's been mailed a box of shit -- by "[livejournal.com profile] jameth." He included a photo of said shit. They then stirred up as much of a shit-storm (pardon the pun) as they possibly could before revealing to their friends that it was all ... bullshit (pun intended). Unfriendings and fury ensued.

Assholes.

So when I say [livejournal.com profile] jameth is full is shit, I mean it on many levels.

Do we want this guy representing us across the table from Bob Lessing, one of the pioneers of the Creative Commons? No.

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Date: 2008-05-28 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] loves-bitch.livejournal.com
It might be also prudent to add that two of his loud "supporters" and "friends" are Neo-Nazi's who have harassed a friend of mine as well as other Jewish members of Fandom.

Do we really want someone who gains his support from people like that?

Date: 2008-05-28 02:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
My impression is he'll cater to anyone to win.

Date: 2008-05-28 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tinylegacies.livejournal.com
I've been cruising around and reading various links about election stuff.

I just wanted to tell you that I personally have about 100 journals registered on LJ and IJ for various RPGs. They aren't all *active* journals - some are names I wanted to register for future purposes and some are former RP journals, but, at least in the circles I hang with, having a large number of journals isn't that unheard of.

And, no, I didn't vote with all of those journals. They're all registered to the same email account and it's not worth my time and effort to change that.

Date: 2008-05-28 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] icarusancalion.livejournal.com
Amazing. It looks like the RPG crowd does have massive numbers of LJs. It sucked me dry just doing two RPG characters for [livejournal.com profile] hp_dungeons, but I guess people would be surprised I've written between 100 and 200 fanfics, too.

Are the RPGers voting for [livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy? Did you as an RPGer vote for [livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy? Will an RPGer go through the effort of setting up new emails for 100 accounts just for this election (and changing them back afterward if they use those characters)? You haven't.

[livejournal.com profile] jameth was quick to accuse [livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy's supporters of sockpuppet votes as soon as he fell behind--at a point where myself and most of my friendslist didn't even know there was a vote. Or care.

Fandom's response to this vote has been pretty tepid, especially for fandom. The active fandom was about 35,000 people last summer (fandom_counts.livejournal.com/profile). [livejournal.com profile] legomymalfoy has about 8,000 votes last I checked--6,000 of those since [livejournal.com profile] jameth's accusations.

It would be naive to think that people aren't using sock accounts to vote. But it would be equally naive to assume that it's not happening on all sides.

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Date: 2008-08-19 09:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mcfnord.livejournal.com
great post

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