Gay For Pay porn?

[icarus]

Apparently there's a gay porn company that does "Gay For Pay" porn videos.

They pay young straight guys who've never had gay sex $4,000 to be filmed their first time with a guy. (One time only, obviously.)

I have so got to see this. Oh my god, how vulnerable these guys must be. Wow, that sounds hot.

Can I pay someone $4,000 internet dollars to write a fic where John does gay-for-pay as a young Air Force pilot? And Rodney sees it years later and thinks John really is gay, but John isn't, he only did it that one time and it was for four grand which was a lot of money. And then Rodney offers John four grand now and John slams the door in his face? And Rodney's outside the door saying, "But there won't even be any cameras! I think it should be a grand less just for that!"



P.S. Just saw Daedalus Variations. Excellent creative idea. Tense and action-packed. I did not know how they were going to get out of this alive. I'm reminded of last year's run of fics where John or Rodney bounces from one alternate reality to another, one where Rodney finds himself dealing with a different John every 24 hours, another where John finds himself confronted with a married Rodney, a third where Rodney gets thrown into an alternate reality where John's a woman and separated from that universe's Rodney... were there more? This is a job for... *steps into phone booth* sgagenrefinders! *that was funnier in my head*

- John giving himself the pep talk, oh, hee. I can just see John's thinking there: "I know his commanders never praise this guy, and let's face it, we can't blame them. But it's nice to hear once in a while, even if it's from -- more or less -- himself. Not that he'll ever know that, which makes all the difference--wait. He thinks I'm a great commander and pilot, too? And he doesn't know it's me? Gosh."

- Thank you SGA for not making Ronon instantly fabulous at video games the railgun.

- I'm impressed that John made the right call getting involved in that universe's fight. I thought it was a bad mistake on his part.

- Geeze those grey guys were hard to kill. Total rip-off of Battlestar Galactica with the crash-boarding there, but ripping off the best is always a good idea.

- Love that Rodney still wants to make that device. Proof enough that he designed it in the first place.

- Hooray Zelenka! Hooray Chuck! Hooray Lorne!

- Rodney as father scares John? You and me both, pal, you and me both.

Now I want to finish that fic where John fathers kids all over the Pegasus galaxy. I can't explain why.

Comments

[iibnf.livejournal.com]

I have some of that somewhere. You want an upload? It's not as exciting as you seem to think ;D (Also, no one is truly gay for pay).

[aigooism.livejournal.com]

Not that great?! Darn. The premise of it sounds awesome, though X___X;;

[icarusancalion.livejournal.com]

Of course. They'd have to have some interest in order to do it in the first place. And yes, yes, I'd love an upload.

[iibnf.livejournal.com]

Having said that, it turns out I deleted it out of my files. Yeah, really disappointing porn. But if you google around, you'll find some easily. Either on pirate bay or 'gay torrents'. Actually, I recommend gay torrents for your gay porn needs.

http://en.gay-lounge.net/

[wyomingnot.livejournal.com]

I'm seconding Bernice's gay torrent rec. It's my one stop shop for all my gay porn needs.

[rike-tikki-tavi.livejournal.com]

I agree, it's much hotter when they get either guys who really like to get fucked and do the porn not just for the money, but also for the fun, or even better, when they have a couple and you get the kissing and fondling and genuine affection instead of just wham, bam, thank you sir.

[icarusancalion.livejournal.com]

when they have a couple and you get the kissing and fondling and genuine affection

Oh, now where can I find that?

[rike-tikki-tavi.livejournal.com]

My upload speed sucks, but give me some time and I'll put something somewhere for you.

[icarusancalion.livejournal.com]

I bow at your feet.

[rike-tikki-tavi.livejournal.com]

Here you go, two (http://www.helogale-parvula.de/media/A&D.rar) clips (http://www.helogale-parvula.de/media/lovers.rar). They are actually two two-part clips, but lots of kissing and forplay and the guys are really into each other.

[icarusancalion.livejournal.com]

Okay, this is wonderful. I love how they started kissing again at the end, and the cameraman had to say, "Ah, guys? I hate to interrupt but...."

[enemyfrigate.livejournal.com]

Re: JS fathering kids all over Pegasus.

If Atlantis ever runs out of trade goods...they can put Col. John Sheppard out to stud. I bet they'd have a lot of takers. And Rodney would complain that everyone wants the pretty boy genes, and no one wants the genius brain genes.

[icarusancalion.livejournal.com]

John said, "You did what?"

Teyla took a deep breath. She hadn't anticipated an objection. Colonel Sheppard was a man after all, and this sort of request, although highly unusual, wasn't unexpected given the Thiireian's circumstances. Besides, it was a good deal. "It would take very little effort on your part, and then Atlantis would be supplied for the entire year."

"You said I'd do what?" John repeated.

"All of their men were taken by the Wraith to punish them for their disobedience," Teyla reminded him. "It would be a generous act on your part."

"You did-- how did you become my pimp all of the sudden?"

Ronon sheathes his gun. "I don't know why you're complaining. Hell, I'll do it if he won't."

Teyla cringed. That was the expected response. "Unfortunately the... agreement... was for Colonel Sheppard."

Woolsey looked between them, blinking. "It is a very good deal. One might even say a bargain. An entire year's supplies for just...." He spread his hands.

John shook a finger at him. At all of them. "You know, if Elizabeth were here she'd have something to say about ethics and lines being crossed."

"Hmm," Rodney mused. "If you don't think you can do it, well, I did just break up with--"

"I didn't say I couldn't, I said that--! You're all aware that this crazy, right?"

They blinked at one another.

"Never mind," John said in disgust.

After the meeting broke up, Teyla approached Rodney. "Thank you, Rodney. That was well-timed."

"Nothing like an insult to his masculinity to get him to pony up and take one for the team. Coffee was included in that deal, right?" Rodney brightened.

"Of course."

"You told him about the--?" Rodney spun his hand in place of speaking.

"The public nature of the event? I felt it wise to leave the details for later."

"I'm going to sell tickets on the Puddlejumper," Rodney said. "I wonder what the load weight is...."

[enemyfrigate.livejournal.com]

Oh. Oh my. This is *perfect.* Did you just write it?

You, the whole conversation seems so *reasonable* on Atlantis.

[icarusancalion.livejournal.com]

Did you just write it?

Oh yes, indeed, just for you.

It is reasonable. Isn't it? *stands in line for tickets*

[jenra.livejournal.com]

This is genius!

[icarusancalion.livejournal.com]

Hee!

Thank you. They are eminently reasonable.

[incidental-fire.livejournal.com]

Brilliant! I love how everyone is just so laidback about the idea, except for John. Heh.

[icarusancalion.livejournal.com]

There's something of a difference between Woolsey and Elizabeth's command styles.

[cesperanza.livejournal.com]

There's a story like this--well, there's a couple of stories like this, not that the world doesn't want MORE--where it's much more tragic; the same idea but in a really dark key. John DOES have to put out for Atlantis and he's totally fucked up about it. It'll come to me.

It'll come to me. It'll-- *goes to SGA_storyfinders*

[icarusancalion.livejournal.com]

I remember that one. He just had to put out to get a ZPM. Was it by seperis--?

[beadslut.livejournal.com]

Um, hi, am I in the right queue for puddlejumper tickets?

[icarusancalion.livejournal.com]

Given the line turns several corners I can see why you would be confused, but yes, yes it is.

[beadslut.livejournal.com]

Okay. Staying right here. I have cookies....

[icarusancalion.livejournal.com]

I have cold cuts.... *opens picnic basket*

[monanotlisa.livejournal.com]

Oh, oh. I love that story nugget, predictably. Please, ma'am, can I have some more? 0 :-)

[monanotlisa.livejournal.com]

(See also icon used to inspire you further.)

[icarusancalion.livejournal.com]

Heh. Indeed I noticed it. It's... so perfect. *blinks at his innocence*

[lherelenfeline.livejournal.com]

Michael Lucas put out a flick called " The Intern" which is somewhere along those lines and is reportedly very good.

[icarusancalion.livejournal.com]

Sold! And thank you.

*goes to hunt for the torrent*

[crownglass39.livejournal.com]

Oh, now I really want to read that John porn fic!

[icarusancalion.livejournal.com]

Hee. Yes. I'm looking for volunteers. *grins*

[incidental-fire.livejournal.com]

If you find someone willing to write the John-going-gay-for-pay, I will match your $4000 internet dollars. I, um, yeah....that would be pretty damn awesome.

And yeah, the episode reminded me of all those switching-universe fics too, which I am a *huge* fan of.

For Rodney dealing with lots of alt-Johns: Taking the long way home (http://sardonicsmiley.livejournal.com/39997.html), by sardonicsmiley.

For Rodney meeting alt-girl!John who's separated from alt-Rodney: Lustrous (http://www.glitterati.talkoncorners.net/log/category/ficlustrous/), by rageprufrock. I believe it was finished for 14 valentines this year and posted on LJ, but the LJ is locked down and private, and the website hasn't been updated yet. So the link I gave is the fic as a WIP.

And as for the John-meets-married-Rodney...I have no idea, but it sounds good! :)

[icarusancalion.livejournal.com]

Thank you. I did end up going to storyfinders (that comm is the greatest). The sad one where John-meets-married-Rodney:

toft_froggy's All these places we have met (http://community.livejournal.com/sga_flashfic/565739.html) was found by rilestar.

[inkscribe.livejournal.com]

I've gotta agree that clips of gay-for-pay that I've seen just look awkward and uncomfortable and honestly pretty exploitive. One of those things that in fic could be pretty hawt but on screen? Not so much. Then again, who am I to talk ... I find most visual clips of people getting it on to be far more amusing than erotic, all those bits jiggling and the incredibly awful screeching and/or dialogue.

Note to porn producers: don't let males speak. Ever. For that matter, don't let females squeak. Thankyouverymuch.

[icarusancalion.livejournal.com]

Note to porn producers: don't let males speak. Ever. For that matter, don't let females squeak. Thankyouverymuch.

Ha. There's a reason the guys who are both hot and can speak get paid millions for their TV and film roles.

I heard about it from a guy who was in one. (I'm afraid I won't be able to ask which one.) He had a girlfriend at the time and four grand was a lot of money for a 20-year-old. He thought it was incredibly hot. Now the girlfriend's long gone, he's completely out and gay, and he still tells people about it.

So obviously it's not exploitative for everyone. And men, gay men in particular, have a much more casual attitude about casual sex. Do you think I could brag about something like that? Never in a million years.

[inkscribe.livejournal.com]

Ha. There's a reason the guys who are both hot and can speak get paid millions ...

Heh heh ... true. One of the reasons I adore the classic Singin' in the Rain is because when the movies went from movies to 'talkies', the beautiful actress has this horrendous screeching voice and exceedingly crass speech (compounded by a very strong regional accent). But she's the brilliant famous actress, so the studio comes up with voice overs!


I heard about it from a guy who was in one. (I'm afraid I won't be able to ask which one.) He had a girlfriend at the time and four grand was a lot of money for a 20-year-old. He thought it was incredibly hot. Now the girlfriend's long gone, he's completely out and gay, and he still tells people about it.

Yeah, that makes sense and that's great that he personally had a very positive experience. It's just the ones I've seen personally look pretty awkward ... and not the shy-endearing-reluctant type of awkward but the "ugh I can't believe I'm doing this" awkward or "close my eyes and think about my country" awkward.

As others have mentioned, pieces where there is a great deal of foreplay, genuine affection, etc. are (IMNSHO) far more erotic and engaging.


So obviously it's not exploitative for everyone ...

I'm sure you're right -- I didn't mean to imply it even is exploitive for everyone, just that it comes across that way to me on film (what I've seen, that is -- again, I haven't done extensive research into this 'genre' of porn so I might have simply seen the really crappy stuff). I've seen lots of clips from pieces where the actors, new or seasoned, were quite comfortable with what they were doing and really seemed to enjoy one another.

I get rather annoyed at the "everyone in porn is exploited!" argument I see tossed around from time to time, everywhere from newspapers to cafe conversations to blogs, etc. Is there exploitation? Definitely. Are all people involved as talent or technical people in porn exploited? Definitely not.

I once ran across some lengthy arguments about porn related to feminism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Dworkin#Critique_of_pornography) by someone who knew this activist personally and was completely convinced of the evils of porn. She was gobsmacked when I said to her, "So, what about gay porn? Are you saying that gay porn actors don't even exist?" (The theories as she presented them to me allowed no room at all for porn that didn't involve jiggly girl-bits.) I haven't touched base with her recently but the gay-porn-world honestly was a world she had not even realised existed.

To continue my unexpected mini-rant this morning (apologies!) ... some years ago I wanted to make a joke birthday card for a relative who had just turned 18 (adult in Canada). Digging around, I found and bought the latest issue of Playgirl and had to search high and low within it to find anything that actually included bare male genitalia. There were far more nekkid women in the back classifieds than there were of men in the entire magazine. The poses were all very sultry, 'come hither' sorts of looks. I honestly found it frustrating and for me personally the magazine held no attraction. I did my best to make the card but it didn't have near the amusement-value I had hoped for.

A couple of years later I moved into a flat where the previous tenant had left his stash of gay porn mags behind, and that was a complete eye-opener. Sure, some shy and sultry poses here and there but also some very blatantly objectified poses, "come and get it!" The contrast between the two was absolutely startling. Given that straight porn mags for men tended towards the "come and get it!" type of pose, I found myself even more annoyed in retrospect.

I got angry about it for the simple reason that it annoys me to no end when mysterious gatekeepers decide "what's best for women." Clearly there were hot male models willing to pose in sexually explicit scenes, yet what the 'girls' were offered in Playgirl was only marginally more enticing than the underwear pages of the Sears catalogue.

To end this sooner rather than later, all I can say is thank goodness for the Internet! :-)

[bruinsfan.livejournal.com]

At least Playgirl's less-risque content was a case of self-censorship by its female editorial staff rather than repression by the Boys' Club, as is the case with the way the mainstream movie industry recoils in terror at the merest hint of a penis. I've not heard anything complimentary about the Playgirl folks from any of my acquaintances with porn connections, but I guess I can see how they'd consider themselves better barometers of what women find sexy than straight men would be.

True story: I once wrote a letter to Playgirl about previews for some of their videos that concentrated on besiliconed porn starlets moaning for the camera rather than hot guys, and pointed out that this wouldn't exactly be a draw for their customer base. The response I got said that they were targeting their products to the couples audience and expected the focus on female porn stars to draw male customers in. Yeah, I'm sure LOTS of heterosexual men are going to be surfing over to Playgirl.tv when they're in the mood to buy porn...

[inkscribe.livejournal.com]

At least Playgirl's less-risque content was a case of self-censorship by its female editorial staff rather than repression by the Boys' Club, as is the case with the way the mainstream movie industry recoils in terror at the merest hint of a penis.

Excellent point ... and oh dear gawd no kidding re: hinting about penis! We can have full-on female frontal nudity in prime time but the world will end if we see a dangly bit. *headdesk* Though one great thing about Canada is French television -- amazing what shows up there. Even guy-bits! :-D


I've not heard anything complimentary about the Playgirl folks from any of my acquaintances with porn connections, but I guess I can see how they'd consider themselves better barometers of what women find sexy than straight men would be.

I can see how they might consider themselves that, yes, then again ... there is an astounding number of adult products being marketed to females. How do we know they're for the wimminfolk? Well, they're pink, because "the ladies" must like that sort of colour. *eyeroll*



True story: I once wrote a letter to Playgirl about previews for some of their videos that concentrated on besiliconed porn starlets moaning for the camera rather than hot guys...

Unfortunately a massive number of people in 'marketing' have absolutely no idea what they're talking about, have no knowledge of demographics or psychographics, never mind actually collect data from their target market in a meaningful way. Along with that, even folks who should know better often pull completely irrelevant details into their messaging.

My 'local' rant has been about our province's recent attempts to prevent ATV (all-terrain vehicles) to be driven by kids too young to have drivers' permits. We have a huge rural population here and they are heavily used on farms by kids to do chores, etc. (Horses are no longer in abundance like back in the day.) At any rate, one of the 'proofs' of the terrible dangers of youth ATV use is a factoid along the lines of '95 per cent of all ATV injuries occur in rural areas.' Erm, I should hope so. ATV use in urban areas is illegal here. I expect more relevant would be to note what percentage of ATV injuries are by regular farm/work users versus recreational (occasional) users. I suspect that severity might be higher in regular users but frequency is probably far higher among recreational users. But that type of statement would be intelligent, and neither gov't nor marketers seem to use that setting very often. ;-)

Sorry to be so ranty today ... my inner!Rodney needs to be duct-tapped quiet for awhile, I think. *g*

[salixbabylon.livejournal.com]

Do you mean Corbin Fischer? I have a bunch of those, although I have to confess that I feel pretty conflicted about the ethics behind it. I mean, some of the guys look pretty nervous. Others are clearly into it and seem (IMO) more porn-virgins than never-homosexual-before-now. And of course the oens *I* like are the ones where everyone's totally into it. :)

Either way, I've got tons but would need to upload. The clips tens to be 20 min each and over 100-200k. If you're interested, I'll try to zip and upload a few.

[icarusancalion.livejournal.com]

I heard about it from a guy who had done it. He'd had a girlfriend at the time, was, okay, interested in guys, and the money was wow. Years later he no longer has the girlfriend and is out and gay. From his perspective it was exciting and hot. I don't think that's what happens with all of these guys, but given I learned about it from one of them (I have no way of asking which one), I've decided not to project female attitudes towards sex onto men here.

I would love to see one of your favorites (I trust your recs). I'm on a high-speed connection these days, too. (The better to download SGA with, my pretties.)

[salixbabylon.livejournal.com]

Here you go - http://salixbabylon.livejournal.com/359051.html :)

[icarusancalion.livejournal.com]

Oh, right on. Thank you!

[bruinsfan.livejournal.com]

If you want more gay-for-pay recommendations, Straight College Men (http://www.straightcollegemen.com/) strikes me as being fairly legitimate in that most of the guys wouldn't be fooling around if money weren't involved. I bought one of their videos a few years ago when the stars tended to be in their mid- to late-twenties (they use younger guys these days, sometimes creepily young), and the action was awkward enough that I definitely bought the straight men aspect.

Randy Blue (http://www.randyblue.com/) has more of a mix, but at least a good portion of the guys are believably just doing a job rather than exploring an aspect of their sexuality that they'd want to pursue on their own time. Combine easygoing exhibitionists, viagra, and a hefty paycheck and voilà!